When you get tired of Jim Rex and Karen Floyd airing their staid, trite arguments about how to make schools safer in light of recent horrific shootings, take a look at their counterpart out in Oklahoma.
This guy wants to do something. And he doesn’t just talk about doing something. He and his "staff" went out and blasted some textbooks with a 9mm pistol and an AK-47, and put it on video. You have got to see this — it’s like outdoor-sportsman show meets Monty Python: "Boring Book Stalking on the Moors," or some such.
Why can’t we have candidates like this?
This was brought to my attention by some alert folks down in our newsroom. One education reporter speculated that, since the only kind of textbook mentioned in the story was a calculus book, that maybe this reflected some sort of deep hostility to higher math on the part of Bill Crozier, the candidate. Was he asked to recite the chain rule one too many times? Who knows? In any case, he has taken his revenge.
I’ll be helping moderate the Monday night debate between Mrs. Floyd and Mr. Rex. Now I have two new questions to ask:
- Would you provide our pupils with body armor made from old textbooks?
- If so, what kinds of textbooks — as in what subjects — would they be?
Their answers would speak volumes about their suitability.
Once again, we are reminded what a wonderful idea it is to elect our state superintendent. The kind of person who would be appointed would be the dull sort who would actually read textbooks, rather than shredding them with a Kalashnikov.
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Brad,
I’ll donate $25 to your favorite charity
if you don’t say the words “voucher” or
“PPIC” on Monday in the debate Monday.
Try and make it about the state of this state’s education instead of the voucher
red herring. Or at least if you bring the subject up, explain what power the secretary of education has to actually implement vouchers. Wouldn’t that have to be enacted by the state legislature (who you always defer to as our chosen representatives???)
And I’ll donate another $25 if you can avoid the camera catching you looking at Floyd’s legs… 🙂
This brings new meaning to the concept of high-powered learning. And also, an incentive to the kids who take the toughest classes with the biggest books, for protection. While reading, Ulysses, 1400 pages?, on the side.
Actually, when Karen came in to visit with us the other day (one of about six interviews I have yet to blog on; I hope to catch up soon), she couldn’t wait to bring up PPIC. Her motive was to get it out of the way, of course, but she insisted that we talk about it ASAP.
In a debate, I expect Mr. Rex will bring it up if she doesn’t. But I assure you, if no one else does, I will. Because that’s what divides the candidates in this race. Not to talk about it would be like not talking about an elephant wandering around in the studio.
Yeah, it bores me, too. I want to be talking about actual reforms, not this sideshow. But as long as it is the governor’s main “education idea,” and as long as his candidate for superintendent advocates it, and as long as millions are spent stacking the Legislature with people who will support it (no matter what the people of South Carolina want), we pretty much have to talk about it.
Because if they succeed, there won’t be much of a public school system left to reform. Public money will be scattered to the winds, with no accountability to the taxpayer. That makes all other proposals secondary.
Don’t worry; there will be plenty of talk about other proposals. I’m sure that talk will predominate. But everybody knows “choice” is the WMD of this contest; everything else is conventional.
Some states have mandatory hunting education in the schools. They also have lower rates of teen violence. That is no surprise. Children who learn how to handle firearms and see how powerful and deadly they really are are living in the real world, instead of the media fantasy world of hip-hop violence.
Excerpt from Armstrong Williams column “Schools Teach Young Black Men to Fail Academically” – Young black men must be compelled to compete in the classroom if they are ever to achieve success in life. However, the only way public schools will be compelled to lift black men from the depths of academic despair is if they themselves are forced to compete with private schools. This can be achieved with school vouchers, which would allow parents to put their children in schools that will hold them to higher standards in the classroom.
Such policy has not taken off because teachers unions vehemently oppose vouchers. They recognize that vouchers would mean fewer teachers, fewer membership dues, the likely defections by public school personnel to privatized systems that have traditionally resisted centralized unionization, and the birth of competing collective bargaining entities.
For the teachers unions, the idea of competition can only mean giving up leverage. Nevertheless, if faced with such competition, public schools would be forced to push their young black men to succeed in the classroom, just as they push them on the basketball court.
With that said, perhaps what is even more important than the expectations of teachers and society as a whole are the expectations of parents. According to The Center for the Study of Sport and Society at Northeastern University, a poor African-American family is seven times more likely to encourage a male child into sports than is a white family.
Sadly, many black parents believe their children are unable to compete academically, so they push their children to develop athletically, and public schools simply reinforce this devastating mentality on a daily basis.
Dave,
Now THAT’s a topic I hope Brad will bring up in the debates Monday. Ask both candidates what specific actions they will take to improve the education outcomes for black males.
I’ve suggested before that no student should be allowed to participate in sports in high school after 10th grade unless he/she has passed the exit exam given in the sophomore year. Knowing that going into high school would probably change the behavior of a number of borderline students early on…. and would (sadly) probably focus more attention on those students from the faculty of the school due to the misplaced attention high school athletes receive.
Wow! Crozier’s brilliant experiment inspires me to point out that big fat calculus books are a great way to build yourself a fort. I mean, if you have a bunch of them lying about within convenient reach.
I can’t think of a better thing to do with them.
I took calculus — and before that such things as analytical geometry and Algebra 5 (I finished high school in Hawaii, where they counted algebra courses by semester).
And here’s a question for all readers: Do any of you, outside of maybe helping kids with homework, EVER use any math higher than Algebra I or plane geometry in the normal course of your lives?
Engineers don’t count.
Brad, how about asking if anyone EVER uses American Lit, most PE activities, most concepts in physics, most art methods, etc.
Why do football players lift weights if they aren’t bench pressing weights on the field? Why should kids take band if they don’t plan on playing an instrument later life? Why does the State post articles about stories that will involve us not the least? Is direct and specific use the litmus test for the value of educational content?
Learning, knowledge, and experiences have value beyond direct utilitarian use. I explain to my students that football players lift weights and incorporate other activities for cross training. It builds the body up in ways that will indirectly help. The same is true for the mind.
Also, how will students know what they’ll do in life unless they are exposed to a variety of content? I made math a career when I realized I enjoyed the very courses you question.
Doug,
who gets your vote for state super? I figure it’s Floyd. I am seriously considering her as well. Unlike Brad, I am considering more than just her legs. 😉
Randy,
As a card carrying Independent, I will be voting a straight Republican ticket this year for the first time in my 16 years living here.
Sanford – absolutely. Hope he runs for President in 2008
Bauer – acceptable. His personal issues are almost as trivial as the position he is running for.
Ravenel – absolutely. a vote for Grady Patterson is a vote of ignorance or pure partisanship. We need more rich, smart, younger candidates like Sanford and Ravenal. Businessmen who aren’t beholden to anyone.
Floyd – absolutely. Rex’s missteps in this campaign including the negative blog attack on Floyd that was conveniently released and then pulled were enough for me to know that he’s all politics. I think having Floyd and Sanford on the same page may actually lead to some small advances in education. Probably just about the time my 8th grade son graduates from high school.
As for Brad’s question about the application of math, I have to agree.
I’ve worked for 20+ years in the IT industry and never used any of the calculus, geometry, or trig I spent hours on in college and high school. I wish I’d known then what I know now. I would have benefitted more from classes in statistics, finance, and communications. My sophomore daughter has a very strong interest in culinary arts… there is a close-to-zero percent chance that she will ever use the math she is learning in high school… I’d rather see her learning accounting and business concepts than geometry… but then I got in trouble in this blog last year for suggesting that the English curriculum is boring and should drop some of the supposed “classics” for more modern literature that teenagers of the 21st century might be able to connect with.
I’m sure my kid’s kids will be reading “A Tale of Two Cities” in 2025. And be just as bored.
Doug,
Considering your daughter’s interest in culinary arts, I hope you tune in to the race for Commissioner of Agriculture. The platform is all about food and how it can improve our economy, our health, and our safety–you probably know my slogan (our opportunity) if you think hard. Show your daughter the two candidates’ websites, and see what she thinks. I have gotten 8 hours sleep in two days, put over 1,000 miles on the truck in same time, blogged thoughtfully on this page (and no other) during the past few months, and yet still do not register in your straight ticket decision. I’ll keep trying.
Good night,
Emile
Doug, taking the utilitarian approach would reduce schools to mere worker training programs. Your 8th grader will declare a major of interest this year. Should his subsequent classes pertain ONLY to that major?
The two best courses I took in college were art history and music appreciation. They opened my eyes to art reflecting life and instilled an appreciation of the arts.
Much of what’s learned may not even be conscious and concrete knowledge. Calculus involves limits and rates. These are concepts that crop up in daily life.
Bauer’s personal issues are indication of character. Public servants should be held to a higher standard. I take this seriously as a teacher and believe it’s a shame that people increasingly shrug off seemingly trivial character issues. Once we start eroding the standards, where does it stop?
Randy says:
> Calculus involves limits and rates. These
>are concepts that crop up in daily life.
That has not been my experience. I took two years of calculus in college in 1982-83 and have never had a moment since then where I found any application of the concepts. I wish I had spent more time in my film studies and Russian classes. I’ve had more occasions to use Russian than calculus in 25 years.
Another example of the tired English curriculum — both my 8th grade son and 10th grade daughter are reading the same book this year. Animal Farm. I wonder if there are any new insights since I read it in 1978? It sure is easier for the teachers to teach an old chestnut like that .
“Applications” in a direct concrete sense is not the sole purpose of education. Dealing with a rate of change, whether it’s driving a car, in economics, etc. is fairly common.
Animal Farm, like the arts in general, reflects life often in a specific era -AF reflects the Soviet Union. Apparently, you believe the Soviet Union is also an obsolete and useless “chestnut”. I guess the teachers are either lazy as you suggest, or are making use of a classic with tremendous historical implications.
Mr. DeFelice.
You have my vote. In fact, you also have a small contribution of my money to your campaign.
Based on what I read on your website, you’re the type of candidate South Carolina needs more of. A do-er versus a talk-er.
Best of luck to you.
Randy,
I didn’t say lazy. I said EASIER. In fact, it’s a whole lot EASIER for lazy students to not even bother to read books like Animal Farm and just skim any one of a thousand websites to pass the tests and plagiarize papers.
The more education my kids get, the more I realize how “cookie cutter” the approach is. It isn’t a whole lot different than what I went through 25 years ago. And I came to realize that much of what I was taught in school had very little importance.
I haven’t read “Animal Farm” since junior high, but I recently re-read 1984, and Orwell was fantastic.
It’s interesting. I had always put 1984 and Huxley’s Brave New World in the same category in my mind, but Orwell is SO much better. Of course, I still think kids should read Huxley so they can see how OUR model (consumerism) can go wrong, too. The Soviet-style nightmare that was 1984 was so easy to see that as wonderfully as it was written, it didn’t take much thought to see that it was BAD. I remember having an intense debate with other kids in 11th-grade English who thought the world of Brave New World would be JUST FINE. That was sort of a wake-up to me.
Even though that was an Honors course (or Advanced, or whatever they called it in Florida in 69-70), I have a feeling that those kids and their spiritual brethren are the reason “reality TV” is so popular today.
And Randy, I wasn’t saying we shouldn’t take calculus. It provides good exercises for the brain. I just think it’s sort of funny I spent all those semesters learning stuff I would never use. I USE the stuff I learned in English (notice how often I cite Huck Finn, for instance), and in PE, too, for that matter. I use Spanish. I use Latin daily (although maybe I could have done without the second year). But mathematically, I never do anything harder than solving a simple equation for a single variable in the course of living my life.
Oh, well. It helped me get a killer score on the math part of the SAT — much better than verbal, even though verbal was where my destiny lay. (See how I used “lay” correctly — I think?)
Well, going by the crucial standard set in this post, I’m still not sure about Mrs. Floyd. We know she can wield a shotgun loaded with birdshot, but that would never penetrate the calculus book I had.
I don’t know what Rex’s weapon of choice would be. There’s ANOTHER question for the debate.
“Good exercises for the brain” and, contrary to the opinion of many on this blog, I bet you use your brain daily.
Brad, when you are driving up and down those hills in Pennsylvania and assessing the changing speed and necessary force on your gas pedal, you are using some precalculus concepts. Of course, you’re probably so enthralled listening to Rush, as a loyal Ditto Head, you probably didn’t notice (or NPR depending on blogger perspective).
Brad,
Calculus can be applied to economic study. Investment bankers, economist, and financial officers use it to make projections for companies, markets, and inflation rates. Therefore, it is used regularly by people who work in this industry.
Do you think Grady Patterson took Calculus, or did he go tho high school before Issac Newton was born?
Lee, which states “have mandatory hunting educaton”? (post from 10/20/06)
As to the utility of calculus: Read David Berlin’s book A TOUR OF THE CALCULUS. It’s an eye-opener.
Mike C was in the State today proposing armed teachers. Way to go Mike. We are the sane ones.
Dave, what details can you supply other than “it sounds great”? Have you thought about ANY details?
Randy, what sounds great? You mean the Armstrong Williams statements or Mike C.s blog? Both actually do. Since pilots have been allowed to carry weapons how many planes have been hijacked in the US with box cutters? That says it all. Even suicidal terrorists are smart enough to pick soft targets, and airlines arent soft anymore. But schools still are.
Brad, PE was absolutely, positively the more useless class I took in my entire school career. I learned absolutely nothing. My body was not improved one iota. The whole thing was a ridiculous waste of time. My kids say pretty much the same thing today. Provide an example of what you learned in PE.
Dave, less than 7% of flights have armed pilots or marshalls (secure-skies.org). That leaves a big hole in your justification. You haven’t even provided any details as to how this would work.
How many armed teachers would it take? How many would be willing to take the training? What about liability? How will the weapons be secured? Would a hand gun be sufficient if a student has a shot gun or if there are two of them?
If a student walks into a crowded hall way and starts firing, there will be some reaction time before an armed teacher will arrive to save the day. The odds are the resource officer will react quicker and more effectively.
I don’t totally discount the idea, but some off the cuff tough guy posturing is hardly sufficient justification.
Randy, you are missing the entire point. Do you play chess? The threat of the execution is often more powerful than the execution itself. Move, that is, in chess. Again, when a few punks get together, after Hollywood has given them a how-to instruction on shooting up a school in Basketball Diaries, they know that they are attacking a defenseless facility and even worse they have seen that cowardly SWAT teams show up after the shootings, and stand around outside. If, while they were doing their planning, they had to wonder, does Coach Smith have a .45 in his desk, or does Ms. Jones have a .357 in her purse, etc. my guess is they would shift to a new set of targets. The 7% armed sky marshal solution proves it.
Dave, have you dealt with any teenagers in the past 20 years? Most, especially the crazy ones shooting up schools, are not thinking about consequences. It’s silly to suggest those boys at Columbine would have thought twice about what they did because “Coach Smith might have a .45”.
BTW, if the gun is in a purse or a desk, then kids can get to it also.
Your suggestion that the 7% armed flights is THE reason we haven’t had a high jacking is misguided. First, we’ve had 100 fold tighter security at the entry points. Also, it wasn’t armed marshalls that prevented the planned high jackings in England.
Randy, you need to talk with a criminologist. Serial killers and mass murderers are very conscious of the risks that they expose themselves to. Even, in the end, if their plan is to commit suicide, they want an easy environment to accomplish their mission. They avoid risk to themselves like the plague. Check it out.
I’d love to see your source for this, Dave.
Randy, Some serial killers have killed for years, while teams of literally thousands of police and FBI have been after them. You really think they are not extremely cautious in their planning and methods to avoid risk. This doesnt need a Harvard statistical study, this is common sense. I see there was another gun on campus incident yesterday in The State. It appears an unarmed administrator handled it but if the thugs had wanted to have a bloodbath yesterday right there, it would have happened just as easily. Weapons on school campuses are becoming more and more prevalent, and to do nothing but wring your hands about it is to me criminal in itself. These kids need protection from would be killers.
A serial killer kills in serial fashion over time. As you stated, they are methodical and cautious. Walking into a school and shooting multiple people hardly fits this profile.
Again Dave, have you been around teenagers in the past 20 years? Most are hardly as keenly aware of consequences as you suggest.
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Randy, Teenagers and adults, lately mostly adults, are coming into schools to kill. The Amish school killer left evidence that he was planning his schooll massacre for a long time. The Columbine killers planned, methodically, down tothe last detail, for many months. These are not spur of the moment actions, like road rage. So, instead of debating whether school killers plan or dont plan, lets hear what you would do to stop it. Waiting…….
First, there needs to be an acknowlegement that there is no easy solution. The only way we can provide even close to 100% protection would be to seal off a school, have armed gaurds at the entry point(s), and use metal detectors for everyone who enters. This is unrealistic and probably undesirable for many if not most schools.
Solutions fall into two categories, prevention and intervention.
Prevention would involve being alert to potential problems and reducing opportunity – make targest less soft as you mentioned. This can be done by limiting and controlling entry points and the use of publicized hotlines for tips.
Intervention would be an effective and rehearsed plan to get students to safety and get the resource officer(s) to stop the shooters.
Ultimately, we can’t stop a suicide killer and we have to decide how restrictive we want our schools to be. It’s like auto safety. We can spend tons of money to make cars safer, but at what cost?
Randy, thank you for a reasonable sounding post. Yes, lots of preventive measures can be taken. I still think the idea that some, even a small percentage of teachers who are armed would stop the vast majority of this type of copycat massacre. Here are some other ideas:
1. Uniforms for all. It is pretty hard to be the killer goth student if you are wearing a checkered sportcoat, tie, and khaki pants to school. Same for girls, with long dresses instead or pantsuits.
2. End public education at the 9th grade. This is a more radical approach but from 9th on you either want college bad enough to compete for it or you go to a trade school of your choice.
3. Single gender schools. I havent thought this one out yet, but middle and high schools are hormone petri dishes. Much of the violence is related to petty jealousies.
4. Double up the schools so that the troublemakers attend school on night shift for 12 hour, not 8 hour shifts. Get the punks off the streets at night into a controlled environment. Pay the teachers who work that shift double. Money will incent many to volunteer.
5. Monetary rewards to students who turn in violence planners. One $10,000 reward that could stop a tragedy would be money well spent. The family of the violence planner would be fined for the reward if evidence is produced. How many of these have happened and other students say later that so and so was bragging about “getting” the principal, etc?
6. Put God back into the schools. I dont have time to write all my ideas on this. But I also dont care if the atheists dont like it. Tough. This is perhaps our biggest problem of all. Thank you Warren Supreme court.
I like the uniforms idea, but the sheriff’s office doesn’t like the idea because it makes it harder to identify suspects (“the guy who ran off was wearing khakis and a blue polo”). Many of the school shootings are committed by students. They can be wearing uniforms as well.
You have more than athiests to consider though Dave. I’ve had many Muslim and Jewish students. I understand the need for separation, but I also worry about the lack of values. This is why we will send our boy to Catholic school, so God will be a part of his school life.
Single gender apparently is very effective in middle school. I don’t like it for high school because we are preparing students for the “real world”. At some point we should put the monkey on the backs of students.
Randy, Muslim or Islam is not a religion. Would you give the same credence to Scientology. A cult is a cult, and some are more violent than others. With the Jews, that is a tougher issue, but they are something like 2% or less of the US population and declining, so let them sit quietly and hear about Christianity. Too bad for them as far as I am concerned. Next we will worry about a couple of hundred Zorastranians and how Christianity affects them. They can bring earplugs to school as far as I am concerned.
Aaahhh, Dave’s true colors come out.
Islam and Judaism share the same God as Christians. Jews were God’s original chosen people. They share same scripture as us. Jesus referred to this OT scripture in his teaching. I think you need to read the bible and take ALL Jesus’ teaching to heart in lieu of your King Dave translation of the Bible.
Randy, what is wrong with the students learning or hearing about God? I didnt say lets convert all to Baptists, just be able to reference God in schools. You want HIM out?
King Dave, do you read what you post? You completely disparage Islam and Judaism, but then want these “cult” members to “learn or hear about God”, the same God they share with us.
This is also a CONTRADICTION of the post before that in which you wrote they should learn about “CHRISTIANITY” which is not just learning about God.
You throw out broad brushed disparaging remarks, then back track to nuance what you really meant.
“They can wear earplugs as far as I’m concerned”, referring to the “cult” members. Yep, that’s how Jesus would treat them.
Randy, cult members will have much worse than earplugs waiting for themselves on judgement day. And I contend Islam is not worshipping the same God as Christianity and Judaism. Or do you think God commanded Muhammed to kill all non-Muslims? That is what is written in their holy book. Christians believe that Jews are still really wandering in the desert and some day will come home to the Lord. There is hope for them to see the light.
But you never answered my ?, you want God out of our schools?
King Dave, please share how YOU will separate the sheep and the goats on Judegement Day.
Regarding your statement about the Muslims:
*Mohammed believed the OT and NT are divine revelation.
*The Sunnis celebrate God’s creation of Adam and Eve.
*In Islam, Moses and Jesus are considered prophets sent by God.
*Same God.
Regarding your statement about Jews:
“Their population is declining…too bad for them as far as I’m concerned…let them sit quietly and learn about Christianity”. Yep, that’s how Jesus would treat them.
Regarding your attempt to back me into a corner with the God in schools question:
God created temporal and an ecclesiastic sides to our existence. As a result, we have that which belongs to Cesar and that which belongs to God.
We keep religion out of many public aspects of our society, including police, Government, and schools.
Interesting how some want schools to take on an ecclesiatic and moral-ethics role yet we are blasted for SAT scores only.
I say render unto Cesar…
Randy, I think you agree with me that God sent his ONLY son to the world some 2000 years ago. Then he sacrificed his son’s life to offer us redemption and eternal life. But you now believe that about 1000 years ago the same God contacted this Arab warlord called Mohammed and told him to form a violent, female suppressing, anti-learning, anti-progress sect of faith, plus order all followers to kill anyone who would not convert to this sect. You really beleive the God who sacrificed this only son for us also sponsored Islam? Waiting…….
King Dave, do you really believe God sent Jesus to us to show the way then has his “followers”:
*call a child predator “honorable”
*call a woman a “whore”
*dismiss his chosen people as marginal
*for Crusades to kill others in His name
*for burning of “heretics” (both Catholic and Protestant)
*to say “God hates fags”
*to make millions of dollars preaching His Word
My point is alot of bad things have been done “in the name” of God. We are called to spread His Word. We are called to follow his Word. We can hate the deed but we are to love the person. In that respect, we can take issue with specific actions, but we are not to take on the role of the Judge.
Randy, I dont want to get into a religious blog with you or anyone. But you bypassed my whole point about the invention of Islam. A cult is a cult.
King Dave,
I did not bypass your whole point. You decipher the Bible selectively for your own interpretation. This clouds the points you make.
Again, I hardly think Jesus provides justification for dismissing the Jews as inconsequencial and calling Jolie a “whore” while calling Foley “honorable”.
You used your faith to make these statements so you made turned this into “religious blogging”. If you can’t justify your statements, don’t make them.
Jolie is an admitted adulterous slut. Foley himself is not honorable but did an honorable act in resigning and admitting his guilt. Can you find just one liberal who did the same? And name him/her.
Forget King Dave, just call me Dave. I am modest you know..
So according to the King Dave version of the Bible, a woman having sex outside of marriage is a “whore”. According to the other Bibles, Jesus did not condemn the prostitute and wouldn’t let others. So King Dave takes it upon himself to over rule Jesus. This certainly betrays any modesty you claim.
Personally, I believe people who take it upon themselves to condemn others, give Christianity a bad name.
Randy, then why are you condemning Lee and Lexwolf every day on this blog? Pretty hypocritical I would think. And as for the prostitute in the bible, she repented and was saved. What about those who ignore the call to repent and shun forgiveness? I guess in your world of moral relativism they get a free pass right? You really are the consummate liberal. Everything is morally equivalent. Christians, Islam, gays, straights, prostitutes, nuns, —– all are equal and cannot be judged in teh world of Randy. You symbolize what has gone wrong in American society, Everyone is a victim and cannot be judged. What bullcrap.
King Dave,
I don’t morally condemn Lee nor Lex and certainly not under the guise of Christian morality.
On the other hand, that’s what you are doing: “cults”, inconsequential Jews “who should sit quietly and learn about Christianity”, call a woman a “whore” etc.
Read the Bible, King Dave. The prostitute didn’t repent until AFTER Jesus shooed away the mob that wanted to stone her. He also told another to remove the plank from his eye.
Your critique of my faith is more of your reactionary and simplistic posturing. I am actually a conservative Catholic. The hard lines the Church takes are the views I hold. If Jesus says it, I believe it. That includes the toughest issues over which I am conflicted.
I do not find everyone “morally equivalent” as you so simplistically suggest. I take Jesus’ teaching to hear that we are ALL SINNERS and there is only ONE JUDGE (so no, I do not “judge” people, I judge actions). This Judge, in His own words, doesn’t give us a hierarchy of sins to use in judgement of others.
For example, I don’t see any justification for you to call Jolie a “whore”, but to then refer to Foley as honorable while ignoring the insidious actions he committed towards MINORS. Explain that beyond “I never said he was honorable”. Explain how you can be condemning towards one but not condemn the other at all. This reply will reveal your true faith.
Now I know why you are a math teacher, you have no reading comprehension skills whatsoever. You can rant all you want about your favorite topic, Foley, suit yourself. But when will you realize you have worn that act out? Why also do you get so defensive about Jolie, a shallow Hollyweirdo who wants to collect kids to make a rainbow family. Her and Madonna have the money to do it, and if you think buying up poor kids is the answer for the poor, more power to you.
King Dave,
talk about “no reading comprehension”. You either don’t bother reading, have trouble reading, or you simply skip over issues that you can’t handle.
The Foley issue is germaine because you proclaim your Christian faith, use it to justify many of your posts, then stick you head in the sand when called out to justify these posts.
Why am I so defensive about Jolie? WWJD Dave! You think He would read a hateful post like that (which was in reply to what I wrote about her) and brush it aside?
I’ll ask the question again, using your Christian faith, reconcile calling Jolie a “whore” while your only comment on Foley was to state he did the honorable thing (which is a joke because he had no choice after being outted by ABC news).
BTW, calling Jolie a weirdo for adopting needy kids betrays what Jesus preaches – looking after orphans and widows. This is another example of the King Dave version of the bible skewing Christian faith, in my opinion.
Randy, I dont spend 2 seconds a day thinking about what Jolie does or doesnt do. You once again have developed an obsession. And, if you think collecting different colored kids like bottlecaps is OK, so be it. She will pay nannies to really care for them while she is filming which is all the time. To me, that isnt what adoption is all about. It should be about love, a concept Jesus promoted. Try it.
King Dave, tell me all about the time Jolie spends with her kids. Cite some evidence. How do you know how much time she spends with her “bottle caps”? EVIDENCE for more hateful remarks.
Love? Like calling a woman a “whore”? You call that love? Agape? Jesus showed love with his forgiveness of the prostitute. On the other hand you call a women who’s not even a prostitute a “whore”.
Keep pushing your skewed version of our faith.
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