A GOP flack brought this to my attention, and it was bizarre enough that it actually worked — I stopped and took notice. It’s from The Military Times:
The House Armed Services Committee is banishing the global war on terror from the 2008 defense budget.
This
is not because the war has been won, lost or even called off, but
because the committee’s Democratic leadership doesn’t like the phrase.
A
memo for the committee staff, circulated March 27, says the 2008 bill
and its accompanying explanatory report that will set defense policy
should be specific about military operations and “avoid using
colloquialisms.”
… Committee staff members are told in the memo to use specific references
to specific operations instead of the Bush administration’s catch
phrases. The memo, written by Staff Director Erin Conaton, provides
examples of acceptable phrases, such as “the war in Iraq,” the “war in
Afghanistan, “operations in the Horn of Africa” or “ongoing military
operations throughout the world.”
So if you pretend that we’re not locked in a struggle that fits together in a pattern repeated again and again — medieval Islamic totalitarianism/nihilism vs. the liberal West, which is what this is — then magically, everything becomes neat little discrete, manageable problems.
Except that they aren’t, which is where we run into trouble. We can say we’ve always been at war with Eastasia, and Eurasia has always been our friend, but that doesn’t make it true.
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Heh. Just today my wife was saying how far along we were on the road to the dystopias of 1984 and Brave New World.
Did you see where King County in Washington state (Seattle area) just changed its name to Martin Luther King County because the original King owned slaves way back when. One wag commented that maybe they’ll change the state’s name to Booker T. Washington because George Washington also owned slaves.
Terrorism is a tactic, not an enemy. Since you work with words as an occupation I thought that you might at least respect their meaning.
Apparently, not.
You should read the last chapter of Peter Bergen’s “Holy War, Inc.” and get over your “clash of civilizations” obsession.
It’s the utter denial of people like RTH that’ll all get us killed in the end. RTH might not be interested in war against the holy warriors but they sure are interested in war against us.
Democrats continue to undermine our nation and our military with words and also with actions. The spectacle of Pelosi traveling with a group of appeasers giving credibility to the terrorist sponsoring regime of Syria is the latest example. She is the perfect propaganda prop for the militant extremists. A so-called leader who announces we will withdraw (surrender) by a certain date. Hint to terrorists: lay low for a while and you can have the whole shebang, we’re yellow to the core and afraid of you. Go Nancy!!!!!!!!
* Clinton = 8 years of attacks by Al Qaeda
* Bush = 150+ attacks thwarted.
I’m glad to see the Dems getting a bit of a spine. This nonsense about a “war on terror” really is ridiculous. This is a long overdue change.
How about calling it:
“Bush’s Folly”
or
“Oops, I Did It Again”
“It’s the utter denial of people like RTH that’ll all get us killed in the end. RTH might not be interested in war against the holy warriors but they sure are interested in war against us.”
Lex
No Lex, what will get us killed are fatty foods, dangerous highways, carcinogens, half-crazed fools with guns, bad medical decisions, food poisoning and a host of other domestic concerns. The likelyhood of dying from a terrorist act are, always have been and always will be extremely low. That’s in spite of our misguided, counterproductive war of imperialistic exploitation in Iraq and other places. Our soldiers and treasure are being squandered on the false idea that this somehow makes us safer.
Fact is terrorists are unlikely to ever kill more than a tiny number of Americans. And Nancy Pelosi is leading us in a direction that will keep that number low. War on terror. That’s just a phoney scare phrase used by the neo-cons to gin up support for their wars of aggression. That phrase needs to go. We’ll be safer without it.
People, let’s not forget we are still at Threat Level Orange! Which mean, uh, not sure… as far as I can tell, it only means I had to throw out my deodorant at the airport because it was 3.4 ounces instead of 3.3. Another fine example of government at its best…
Brought to you by the same liars who absolutely, positively KNEW where the WMD were located in Iraq.
I wrote this (in a response to Dave about the British hostages) on March 29:
“We really should know ALL the facts before we start a shooting war. After all, we’ve already gotten into one quagmire based on flawed information. I bet within a week all the British soldiers will be returned safe and sound. If we start shooting thousands will die, including the British soldiers.”
Apparently the British soldiers are about to be freed.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-04-04-britain-iran-talks_N.htm
This was just a bunch of grandstanding by the Iranians to make a point. They are a bit luny but unlike Lee and Dave they really don’t want war.
Clinton claimed to know where the WMD were located, when he was dropping 80,000 tons of bombs and cruise missiles on Iraq.
30 Terror Plots Thwarted in Britain since 9/11
BBC 2 Apr 2007
MI5 knows of 30 terror plots and is keeping 1600 individuals under … MI5 has increased in size by nearly 50% since 9/11 and now stands at roughly 2800 …
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6134516.stm
There were 5 car bomb attacks in March 2007 in Anbar province which used chlorine gas.
— nerve gas used by terrorists —-
Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq
Monday, May 17, 2004
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN)— A roadside bomb containing sarin nerve agent (search) recently exploded near a U.S. military convoy, the U.S. military said Monday.
Bush administration officials told Fox News that mustard gas (search) was also recently discovered.
Two people were treated for “minor exposure” after the sarin incident but no serious injuries were reported. Soldiers transporting the shell for inspection suffered symptoms consistent with low-level chemical exposure, which is what led to the discovery, a U.S. official told Fox News.
“The Iraqi Survey Group confirmed today that a 155-millimeter artillery round containing sarin nerve agent had been found,” Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt (search), the chief military spokesman in Iraq, told reporters in Baghdad. “The round had been rigged as an IED (improvised explosive device) which was discovered by a U.S. force convoy.”
Yeah, they do a lot of grandstanding, like saying they want to incinerate Israel. Those wacky pranksters…
Lee writes:
“There were 5 car bomb attacks in March 2007 in Anbar province which used chlorine gas.”
What’s your point? If you are suggesting this gives us a reason to stay the course because the terrorists are still a threat you have to explain why 4 years of occupation have failed to end these types of attacks. If you’re using this as support of the pre-war claim by Bush that Iraq had WMD then it fails since chlorine was not mentioned as one of the threatening agents.
On the other hand if you’re trying to support the idea for withdrawing troops from Iraq then you’re on to something. If the terrorists are now using gas to attack our troops then it would seem prudent to remove them from harms way. Since they’re not accomplishing anything that only makes sense.
Why hasn’t our military achieved 100% eradication of all terrorists?
1. Politicians have tied their hands.
2. Democrats have lied about the war.
3. The media, 87% registered Democrats, have propagandized against the war and against America.
4. There are still lots of terrorists in other countries who infiltrate Iraq. We have to wipe out all their internal organizations, so the Iraqi government can manage the foreigners.
5. Clinton accomplished nothing with 2 years of bombing, because he was afraid to put troops on the ground. Democrats will waste billions of dollars on theatrics.
Democrats invested in losing the war in Iraq in order to hurt Bush, simply will not acknowledge all the good that has been accomplished, terrorists killed and captured, WMD development and deployment stopped, terrorist attacks thwarted.
Democrats want trouble in Iraq right up to the election, and they intend so help the terrorists achieve that.
On 4-3-07, Lex posted:
“Why hasn’t our military achieved 100% eradication of all terrorists?”
Surely you don’t think that the US military has the ability to eradicate all the terrorists that exist in the world today. Being ex-military, I can assure you that our soldiers, sailors and airmen are the best in the world. But, come on, this rhetorical question is too ridiculous to be seriously believed.
Then, you give us 5 answers that are even more ridiculous:
.”1. Politicians have tied their hands.”
Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and the White House every day from 9/11 until 2 months ago. If the military’s hands were tied, it was by the Republicans. Looks to me like the Republicans handed out blank checks without regard to a winning strategy or direction. Bush’s focus seemed to change every time the moon changed. I’ll have to research the full list of catch-phrase strategies that he directed – none of which have been successful.
“2. Democrats have lied about the war.”
When? How? Most of the lies about the so-called “Global War on Terror” were orchestrated by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Rove and that gang.
“3. The media, 87% registered Democrats, have propagandized against the war and against America.”
What’s your factual source for this statement – Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Matt Drudge? Also, what constitutes “propagandizing against the war”? If I question anything that Bush says or does, am I “propagandizing” as you call it? I will ask pertinent questions, and demand truthful answers, of my nation’s leaders until I have my last breath leave me. That’s my right and duty as an American citizen – regardless of the interpretation-of-the-month by GWB, Atty. Gen. Gonzales, etc..
“4. There are still lots of terrorists in other countries who infiltrate Iraq. We have to wipe out all their internal organizations, so the Iraqi government can manage the foreigners.”
The Iraqi government installed by President Bush can’t manage much of anything at this point. It sounds to me as if you’re proposing that the US stay over there until we completely eliminate all terrorist organizations and activity. This is a complete pipe dream. It won’t happen in my lifetime or for generations to come.
“5. Clinton accomplished nothing with 2 years of bombing, because he was afraid to put troops on the ground. Democrats will waste billions of dollars on theatrics.”
When are the Republicans going to stop beating President Clinton to death and stand up on their hind legs and confess to their own shortcomings. For God’s sake, he’s has been out of office for 7 years. In those 7 years, President Bush has followed in the footsteps of Ronald Reagan and George The Elder in running up the largest deficits in the nation’s history. Checked our National Debt recently? It’s mind-boggling and continues to grow at a phenomenal pace.
Lex, you need a good dose of reality. Read my lips. George W. Bush is not going to go down in history as our greatest President.
Brad- in all fairness, you should have posted that the Military Times is not owned or operated by, or affiliated with any branch of the US military. It is owned by Gannett, the media giant, and is a for-profit business – just like The State. The reporter writing the article seems to editorialize, rather than share facts. Military Times is no better or no worse than the tens of thousands of media outlets in this country.
Brad- in all fairness, you should have posted that the Military Times is not owned or operated by, or affiliated with any branch of the US military. It is owned by Gannett, the media giant, and is a for-profit business – just like The State. The reporter writing the article seems to editorialize, rather than share facts. Military Times is no better or no worse than the tens of thousands of media outlets in this country.
sorry fot the double-post.
If there were truly a plague of terror, we’d have bombs going off in the shopping malls. It is a concept used to stoke fear in the minds of easily-misled idealogues such as Lee.
Holy War, Inc, is probably a good source, but a better one to use to understand what has gone on since Bush was installed into office is The Project for A New American Century, the neo-con blueprint for institutionalized American hegemony in the post-Cold War era. The document called for a “new Pearl Harbor” in order to galvanize public opinion to allow a variety of extra-territoral military adventures; interestingly enough, less than nine months into the Bush administration, that’s just what we had.
It seems that, as a matter of budgetary concern, this whole thing is textbook. Appropriations made to the military should have some accountability involved; Congress should be able to see what the money it’s allocating will actually be used to do. That’s the most basic part of the system of checks and balances. You certainly wouldn’t be satisfied if the military submitted a budget asking for $400 billion to “fight bad guys.” You’d expect them to be a little more specific than that. Same principle here.
But of course, it would be far more sensible to compare the Congressional Democrats to a soul-crushing totalitarian dictatorship.
There is lots of accountability in the military and rebuilding money spent in Iraq. There are monthly reports to Congress.
All the work under Halliburton is put out to bid, and Congress has complete access to the monthly payments to invoices on each contract.
You can start a company and bid on any of the work yourself. It is all visible and in the open.
Lee,
You might want to seriously think about retracting that last statement or, better yet, giving up drugs.
There are scores of cases where Halliburton, KBR and others were awarded no-bid contracts well beyond the scope of what no-bid contracts are designed for. If you can’t find a few dozen quick examples of waste and corruption, I’ll be happy to provide you with a list.
Secondly, there hasn’t been much accountability of the billions of US taxpayer
$ spent over there. This is well-documented thru testimony by Halliburton and other contractor employees before congressional oversight panels.
A few quick examples- 1) the Super Bowl Party (with a giant-screen TV) for only Halliburton employees charged to the taxpayers. Halliburton said it was “for supplies for the troops”, 2) 2 bidders – equally qualified to do the work- project is awarded to the one that was 800% higher, 3) Parsons, another huge contractor, billed taxpayers over $200 million under a contract to build 142 health clinics. Only 20 were completed – the rest were “ghost buildings”. And the list goes on and on….
Call that accountability? Yeah, right.
Charlie, I’ll save you some time.
Check out the last five or six posts on Confederate Radio for just one (of many examples) of Lee’s obtuseness.
That’s why billions of dollars can’t be accounted for.
Billions.
Halliburton was awarded a “no bid contract” because the GSA could not gear up to handle rebuilding Iraq, and Halliburton is in the business of oil field infrastructure. They are paid an override for managing the actual work contracts, which are put out FOR BID. All of it is audited. There is some leakage, theft and bad bookkeeping, but much better than government agencies have.
Hell, the Department of Education under
Dick Riley didn’t even have an accounting system. There was over $1 BILLION charged to credit cards for personal items that were not traceable.
Under Bruce Babbitt, “someone” stole over $1 BILLION from the savings accounts of children on the Indian reservations, none was recovered, and no one fired or prosecuted.
Al Gore’s buddies in Russia on the Chernomyrdin Commission were named as having embezzled $10 BILLION from the IMF through EFTs one weekend in August 1999, yet no one was prosecuted. That’s what payed for Putin’s election, and probably some of it came back to Clinton, Gore and some other Democrats.
*sniff*sniff*
Yep, I thought I smelled more of Lee’s unsubstantiated BS.
When the going gets tough for the neocon, he’ll play the Clinton card every time. Somehow in their sick mind that makes everything alright.
In the Clinton administration, Halliburton was one of their biggest government contractors. But it wasnt complained about then for some reason. If a Demoncrat becomes Prez in 08, Halliburton will still get federal contracts, and guess what, the leftist media and the George Soros crowd will shut up about it. INteresting.
Most Democrats are not in business, so they don’t understand how contracts work, and don’t want to understand the rebuilding of Iraq.
They hate the war because they hate Bush for beating Gore.
They hate businessmen, because businessmen have potential to earn lots of money by hard work. They really hate businesses that make lots of money, like oil companies. Halliburton is an oil company, so they spew hateful lies about it.
It began when VP Cheney convened an energy summit and invited all the big environmental groups to sit down with the oil companies, and utilities. The environmental groups, being socialists and Democrats, lied that they were not invited, and their media lackeys kept propping up the lie, even after some reporters held up the invitations and confronted the Sierra Club and EDF.
Much further down the food chain, we have consumers of propaganda like “bud”, “Ready”, and others who want to be fooled, just lapping it up.
You didn’t hear an howls from their media cronies when Mack McClarty and others left the White House to work for oil companies, or when Al Gore, like his dad, started cashing checks from Occidental Petroleum, or when Clinton gave special natural gas concessions to Enron.
Lee said: “Most Democrats are not in business, so they don’t understand how contracts work…”
Gee, guess they changed the law of contracts and forgot to tell everyone but Bushies, huh? I subscribe to the old belief that you perform a specific task in a specific timeframe in exchange for a specific payment.
and Lee continued: “and don’t want to understand the rebuilding of Iraq”.
Whose responsibility is it to rebuild Iraq -ours or there’s? Since you’re the expert, maybe you can educate the rest of us.
Lee said: “Under Bruce Babbitt, “someone” stole over $1 BILLION from the savings accounts of children on the Indian reservations, none was recovered, and no one fired or prosecuted.”
Read Cobell vs Babbitt (1996), then Cobell vs Norton (2001) (Bush appointee), then Cobell vs Kempthorne (Bush appointee). Read both sides of the story.
Lee- tell the whole story. Don’t leave anything out, don’t cherry-pick what you think might be critical of Democrats, don’t leave out facts that are critical of Republicans and don’t mislead people. You, sir, handle the truth very loosely.
Lee: After investigating most of your statements (basically, ridiculous claims), I have come to the conclusion that you, sir, are either a liar or a fool that refuses to admit error when factual evidence proves you wrong. You’re taking up space that you don’t deserve. That’s the one complaint I have about freedom of speech- it don’t require one to know what he’s talking about.
No fun fighting someone like him. What a gourdhead….
If you Clinton apologists have found that money stolen from the Indian children’s savings accounts, please turn it in to the Interior Department.
Charlie, your posts are devoid of facts, and don’t even make specific objections to the facts I posted. That is the normal mush mouth sort of attacks we expect from liberals. Where is your compassion for those children robbed by the Democrats?
I take it you didn’t bother to read the lawsuits that I posted. The controversy over the trust funds has been going on for 120 years- well before either of the modern Dems or Reps. IMO, the funding by both parties of Congress continues as a way to buy favor from Native Americans. Once in place, it never goes away. Now, tell me, how did Clinton steal the money? You made the statement. Back it up with facts, not commentary from National Review, WND, Fox News, or similar drivel.
Charlie, Indians are awarded lucrative franchises for casinos and the politicians (mostly Democrats) get vote support and loads of campaign cash. This is common knowledge and there is not enough room on this blog to list all the givers and receivers of this corrupt practice.
Dave, I don’t disagree. Both Dems & Repubs must be held accountable for their actions (or lack of), regardless of whether it involves sex with an intern, wasting tax money, corruption & influence peddling, poorly-planned wars, or lying to the American people. We don’t do our job – holding them accountable and demanding straight answers. We lie back, accept their rhetoric & deserve what we get. People like Lee embrace them & drink the koolaid.
Charlie has discovered the Lee that us old timers have known and loved for some time. Lee never argues with facts but rather he stubbornly clings to his pre-conceived ideas of how the world SHOULD be. Many people on both the left and right do that to some extent but Lee is the poster child for ignoring facts. Because of Lee’s hard-headed view of the world I’ve at least learned to pause and reflect on some of my own beliefs.
More factless posts of personal invective from “bud” and “Charlie”.
Try going back to the FACTS I posted which upset you, but which you cannot confront directly.
It may be painful, but growth always is.
Charlie, some participants consistently raise the level of dialogue on this blog. Herb Brasher and Paul DeMarco are two that come to mind. Some do not.
Herb’s personal attacks and whining may be a step up for Steve Gordy, but so long as they are devoid of facts about the issues, they contribute nothing.
Charlie, I didn’t say, “Clinton stole the money.”
The investigation found that someone robbed all those Indian children, and did so under the Clinton administration.
Not surprisingly, Janet Reno’s DOJ found no one to indict, and Congress helped cover up another scandal in which some of their own had a hand.
Lee, you’re an expert on contributing nothing.
Charlie, you are repeating the proliferated falsehood about lying to the American people. If Blair, Putin, Clinton, Kerry, Bush, Cheney, Edwards, Tenet, and a cast of thousands of others said that Iraq had WMD please explain how you can manage to single out that ONLY Bush and Cheney lied about it. Oh, Colin Powell too. And I dont know if you are a student of the history of war, but how about the “plan” we had for Pearl Harbor, or the debacles at Normandy? What do you know about war to be that judgemental about how well war is conducted. Fighting a war is not like planning to open a Starbucks franchise. Unfortunately, most of the yuppies on this blog cannot differentiate.
Clinton had a nearly unanimous authorization to wage war on Iraq to destroy their WMD. Clinton dropped over 80,000 tons of bombs on Iraq from 1998 to 2000.
Where is the list of all the WMD Clinton was going to destroy?
Where is the list of the WMD actually desroyed by Clinton?
Hillary said in 2002 that she did not depend on the Pentagon for her vote for invading Iraq, that she got her information from her husbands advisors, Sandy Berger and Madeline Albright, who told her Iraq had WMD.
Iraq did have WMD. The Democrats just didn’t have the guts to go get them.
Note to Un-Person, Facts will change the opinion of reasonable people. You are correct that “no” facts will not change opinion. That is exactly the problem with Un-Person, too much belief in fiction.
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, Sect. 8
Nothing in this Act shall be construed to authorize or otherwise speak to the use of United States Armed Forces (except as provided in section 4(a)(2)) in carrying out this Act.
CNN on Iraq Survey Group final report (2004):
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Saddam Hussein did not possess stockpiles of illicit weapons at the time of the U.S. invasion in March 2003 and had not begun any program to produce them, a CIA report concludes.
In fact, the long-awaited report, authored by Charles Duelfer, who advises the director of central intelligence on Iraqi weapons, says Iraq’s WMD program was essentially destroyed in 1991 and Saddam ended Iraq’s nuclear program after the 1991 Gulf War.
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Iraq didn’t have WMD in 2003, contrary to the cherry picked intel provided by neo-cons.
Operation Desert Fox in 1998 was to degrade the ability of Iraq to manufacture and use WMD. The bombing was also used as a cudgel to make Saddam continue cooperation with UNSCOM inspectors. It worked.
To point out the obvious:
(1) Clinton did not invade Iraq. American casualties from Operation Desert Fox=Zero.
(2) Iraq allowed UNSCOM officials back in. They continued searching for WMD programs etc. until forced out by imminent US invasion.
(3) While the Clinton Administration believed that Saddam had WMD programs they were willing to pursue destroying them by international mandate rather than by unilateral invasion.
(4) Only Cheney and the neo-cons, thought that Saddam, an apostate according to Osama, would give his enemies, Islamist terrorists, his “crown jewel” WMD.
With a staggering death toll of American soldiers, xx so far in April, it’s time to declare the surge a failure. Here’s an example of how hopeless and stupid this whole stay-the-course idiocy has become:
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Tal Afar – Spring, 2006
This is a story about an entire city that was taken over by al Qaeda. It’s called Tal Afar and about 200,000 people who live there became prisoners in their own homes when terrorists took control and turned it into their town.
They used Tal Afar as a base to train insurgents and launch attacks around Iraq. Last fall, as correspondent Lara Logan found out when she traveled there, U.S. and Iraqi forces were determined to recapture Tal Afar, and the Bush administration has pointed to that operation as a model for how to fight and win the rest of the war.
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Tal Afar – Spring 2007
A suicide truck bombing in the northern city of Tal Afar last week is the deadliest single attack since the Iraq war began in 2003, a high-ranking Iraqi Interior Ministry official said Monday as a new death toll for the blast surfaced.
The Wednesday attack — in which a truck packed with 4,000 pounds (1,814 kilograms) of explosives detonated in a Shiite area of the city — was initially blamed for 85 deaths, according to an Iraqi army officer in Tal Afar who estimated the death toll Thursday. Hundreds of others were wounded.
But the Interior Ministry official said Monday that the death toll was 152, making it the war’s deadliest single attack.
In a separate and apparently retaliatory attack, gunmen stormed homes in a Sunni area of the city, killing 70 people and wounding 30, according to the army officer. Forty others were kidnapped.
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Brad started this post with the heading “What Utter Nonsense”. Is their anything more nonsensical than to continue to pretend our imperialistic occupation of Iraq is doing anyone any damn good. This is just a tragedy. And all Brad can talk about is the “Utter Nonsense” of changing the wording of the War Budget (it really has nothing to do with Defense so I refuse to call it that). Now that’s “Utter Nonsense”.
I knew you wouldn’t be able to find the list of WMD destroyed by Clinton’s bombing campaign. That’s why he and Hillary said the invasion was necessary in 2002. He knew he had failed to disarm Saddam.
Gee, a truck with 4,000 lbs of explosives left over from the WMD which Clinton had failed to destroy and our troops had not captured.
Never mind the 500,000 lbs of high explosives captured by coalition forces and destroyed by Army demolition experts.
Maybe you Islamofascist supporters can use the excuse that the explosives are not Iraqi WMD, but are coming in from peaceful countries like Syria and Iran.
My previous post should have said …
With a staggering death toll of American soldiers, 35 so far in April ….
Mary, I thought you only existed in the mind of Winston Smith. Hope you can stick around.
I’m not trying to persuade the mayor and vice mayor. But others reading their nonsense may buy into their false assertions. That’s the real danger of allowing the neocons to call unchallenged. Call me naïve but I still hold out a tiny glimmer of hope for Brad.
The only evidence lefties post is evidence of how removed their delusions are from reality.
Re Lee’s 4-8-07 2:05:35 PM post- Lee, apparently I’m missing something here. What facts are you talking about? In order for me to respond to ‘the facts’ as you call them, help me locate the facts you’re referring to. Give me facts and factual sources- I’ll be happy to read them and, who knows, I might change my mind. I’m just not very content with opinions. In most cases where polictics & government are concerned, they’re very partisan & based on some talking point or sound bite on last night’s news. That’s a waste of a person’s time. Yep, that’s my “opinion”.
If someone stole the Indian children’s money, they should be prosecuted. If Congress knew about it (you didn’t say who investigated it), each & every one of them should be thrown out of office. If what you say is true, why didn’t the Republicans relentlessly pursue prosecution? Seriously, read the cases & quit wasting people’s time.
Dave, I didn’t say Mr. Bush lied about WMD. Read the post again.
Steve Gordy – thanks. I’ve followed this blog since its inception. I’ve read and am familiar with Lee, Mary Rosh, RTH, bud, Dave, Paul, etc, etc, etc. I sometimes even agree with Brad. Scary, huh…
Charlie forgot to say which facts he had found shocking. Was it the 600,000 tons of high explosives found in Iraq?
http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=19256&archive=true
Civilian contractors work nonstop to blow up Iraq’s ordnance stockpile
By Rick Scavetta, Stars and Stripes
European edition, Sunday, January 25, 2004
FALLUJAH, Iraq — Civilian experts under a $300 million Army contract are working to destroy captured Iraqi ammunition — an effort that reduces enemy stockpiles and alleviates soldiers from hazardous demolition duty.
In September, the Army hired four civilian contractors to collect, store and begin
destroying about 600,000 tons of Iraqi ammunition, said Col. Paul Plemmons, 50, of
Riverside, Calif.
The Iraqi military stockpile is roughly one-third the size of the U.S. military’s 1.8
million tons of stored ammunition, said Plemmons, the Army’s senior ordnance officer in Iraq.
“In a country this size, that’s mass weapons of destruction,” Plemmons said, playing on the phrase “weapons of mass destruction.”
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Do you remember when the NY Times reported in 2004 that several hundred tons of HMX and RDX were missing, the same explosive which blue up TWA Flight 800 off Long Island? Gee, that’s embarassing for the Clintonistas.
You need to do a little more research, Lee. The explosives were actually moved by US authorities and most were destroyed. What, pray tell, did Clinton have to do with this, anyway? “Just the facts, Ma’am.”
Clinton and his team proved to Saddam how weak the American administration at the time was by doing nearly nothing when Saddam violated the no-fly zones and fired on US jets and also when SH threw the UN inspectors out of his country. That weakkneed approach emboldened Islamics everywhere, including Bin Laden to plan and undertake the 9-11 tragedy on American soil. That is the Bill Clinton legacy, weakness and failure to protect the citizens of his own country.
Wow, Lee must be suffering from some sort of withdrawal from his psychoactive drugs. His posts aren’t even coherent, anymore. Sad.
Sorry, Dave, you’re entitled to your opinions but not to your own facts.
I don’t believe that the following timeline is complete. I remember a number of incidents when U.S. aircraft destroyed various Iraqi military targets after provocation such as being “painted” by anti-aircraft radar.
Defense Link Time Line
1992 — In August, the United Nations establishes a no-fly zone along the 32nd parallel after Iraq launches renewed attacks against Shiite Muslims. The United States and its allies begin patrolling the no-fly zone, operations which continue today. In December, the U.S. planes intercept and shoot down an Iraqi MIG-25 that violates the no-fly zone.
1993 — In January, the United States accuses Saddam Hussein of moving missiles into southern Iraq. Iraq refuses to remove the missiles. Allied planes and ships attack the missile sites and a nuclear facility near Baghdad. In June, following the discovery of a plot to assassinate former President George Bush, U.S. ships fire 24 cruise missiles at intelligence headquarters in Baghdad.
1994 — Saddam Hussein moves Iraqi troops to the Kuwaiti border. The forces withdraw after the United States deploys a carrier group, warplanes and 54,000 troops to the Persian Gulf region.
1996 — In August, Saddam Hussein sends forces into northern Iraq and captures city of Irbil, a key city inside the Kurdish haven established above the 36th parallel in 1991. The following month, U.S. ships and airplanes attack military targets in Iraq to punish the Iraqi military and President Clinton extends the southern no-fly zone to just south of Baghdad.
1997 — In October, a protracted confrontation with Saddam Hussein begins after Iraq accuses U.S. members of the U.N. inspection teams of being spies and expels the majority of U.S. participants. The U.N. Security Council threatens renewed economic sanctions. […]
1998 — The tensions that began in October 1997 continue. In February, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan works out an agreement with Iraq that resumes weapons inspections. In turn, Iraq receives promises the United Nations will consider removing its economic sanctions. Inspections continue into August, when Iraq cuts ties with weapons inspectors, claiming it has seen no U.N. move toward lifting sanctions.
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The Final Days
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November 14 — With B-52 bombers in the air and within about 20 minutes of attack, Saddam Hussein agrees to allow U.N. monitors back in. The bombers are recalled before an attack occurs. Weapons inspectors return to Iraq a few days later.
December 8 — Chief U.N. weapons inspector Richard Butler reports that Iraq is still impeding inspections. U.N. teams begin departing Iraq.
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December 16 — The United States and Great Britain begin a massive air campaign against key military targets in Iraq.
Operation Desert Fox(12/15-12/19) attacked 75 military targets including 27 surface-to-air missile sites, 18 command and control facilities, 19 sites housing security details for Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction program, 11 weapons of mass destruction industrial and production facilities, eight Republican Guard facilities, and five airfields.
Of course, Clinton could have proved his manhood by invading Iraq.
I understand that a massive “pro-democracy” demonstration took place on 4/9. Tens of thousands of Iraqis rallied to kick the U.S. out of their country.
“Coalition” authorities countermanded the order of a democratically elected “sovereign” Iraqi government concerning public gatherings.
How’s Dear Leader’s plan(s) going, again?
Maybe it’s a good thing to have a president’s ego stroked by an intern than by strutting around in military constumes issuing fake pronouncements.
Good job RTH. The Clinton card has been played by the neocons and it has been trumped. I sure did feel more secure during the Clinton years. A few incidents here and there but nothing that would raise any alarm bells of urgency. Since the Decider has taken charge it’s been nothing but fear and insecurity. I’ll be glad when he’s back in Texas where he can finish “My Pet Goat”.
Charlie just resorts a one-line blanket lie.
FACT: We have captured over 650,000 tons of high explosives, chlorine gas bombs, Sarin nerve gas, mustard gas, ballistic missiles, 2 training camps for hijackers.
And yes, name any issue or scandal, and Clinton did it in a big way.
Here’s more evidence of how the “Surge” is working. From the BBC News:
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‘Woman’ bomber hits Iraq police
Roadside bombings pose a real threat to US soldiers
A suicide bomber reported to be a woman has attacked a police recruiting centre in Iraq, leaving at least 14 dead.
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With 175,000 Americans deployed in Iraq we’re fast losing our ability to respond to threats in other parts of the world. We’re on track, with 45 soldiers killed so far in April, of setting a monthly record number of deaths to our soldiers. Brad and his merry band of war-mongers continue in their deluded support of this disaster. His continued belief that John McCain is somehow an honorable man in spite of ample evidence to the contrary shows just how hard-headed the war-mongers have become. All Brad can muster is a pointless swipe at the dems for wanting to change the wording in the war budget. While thousands upon thousands die that is really lame. Get your priorities right at least. Address the real issues without all these nitpicking swipes at the folks who have it right on this.
After 49 months this disaster simply must be brought to a halt. I hope the Dems can muster the backbone to simply stop funding the troops. Yes, that’s what I said, stop funding the troops, period. If the Decider can’t get the message and bring our troops home then he will have lots of explaining to do.
Democrats want to surrender because they are invested in having the war go badly in order to hurt the Republicans. They let their fossilized world view from their hippie days as Nixon haters and their personal political ambitions override the good of the country.
I hate to tell you, but the Muslims would prefer to kill the decadent liberals ahead of anyone else.
Odd, isn’t it?
No one but Lee (and, probably, a few lonely wingnut bloggers) think that WMD have been found in Iraq.
We’re governed by an administration that is so desperate to mislead that they “spin” tens of thousands of Iraqi demonstrators shouting “Out occupier” into a sign of success.
Yet, even these liars don’t have the effrontery to claim discovery of WMD.
I suppose that there will always be a few poor, misguided dead-enders who drank the purple kool-aid, believed the con whole-heartedly, and are too stubborn or self-deluded to admit reality.
You don’t consider the 650,000 tons of explosives that we captured to be WMD?
How about the chlorine, Sarin, and mustard gas we captured? How about the chlorine gas which the terrorists used several times last month?
How about the 380 tons of HMX explosives, the same formulation used to blow up TWA 800? I guess it’s just a coincidence that Ramsey Yosef made a call from jail ordering the bombing during his trial for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, and that Saddam ran two hijacker training camps which were used by Al Qaeda.
How about the nuclear weapons facility sold by Russia to Red China and by Red China to Iraq? The UN inspectors never found it.
How about the 38 SCUD missiles with Sarin which Saddam had at the end of the first Gulf War, but were never found by UN inspectors?
RTH, I’m not sure if “odd” is quite the correct word when it comes to Lee’s deluded belief that we found WMD. Scary is more like it. If we have enough Lee’s willing to believe stuff like that then we ignore their rantings at our own peril. I know it seems like a waste of time but no matter how ridiculous the claim it simply MUST be addressed. Otherwise the claim takes off and becomes the truth over time.
Take the neocon claim that Al Gore invented to internet. Or that the Willy Horton campaign originated in the democratic nomination campaign (I think that was attributed to Gore as well). Or the Swift-Boat nonsense, the Cleland beer run (causing him to drop his hand-grenade). All these claims seem so laughably false yet they were believed by enough people to make a difference in various political campaigns. The fact that Lee is hopelessly out of touch with reality is no excuse for letting his nonsense go unchallenged. Keep up the good fight, your research skills are far better than mine.
I have not mentioned any WMD that has not been mentioned by Democrats in Congress and by the major newspapers. Are they all lying? Why?
I posted URLs to articles about these WMD, yet the delusional haters of Bush pretend they don’t exist.
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http://maic.jmu.edu/journal/9.2/focus/zahaczewsky/zahaczewsky.htm
Destroying the “Mother of All Arsenals”: Captured Enemy Ammunition Operations in Iraq
Updated Tuesday March 07 2006
By: COL George Zahaczewsky (Ret. U.S. Army)
Although the much-publicized weapons of mass destruction have not been found in Iraq, less has been said about what munitions were found there, the hazards they present or the efforts of Coalition Forces to remove the stockpiles. This article gives a first-hand view of the perils in Iraq.
On 20 March 2003, United States and Coalition Forces crossed the border into Iraq, initiating ground combat operations during Operation Iraqi Freedom. Almost immediately, they encountered vast stockpiles of conventional Iraqi munitions. Much of the ammunition was in pristine condition, while large amounts of other ordnance had been looted, scavenged or damaged during combat operations. It soon became apparent that a major effort would be required to secure and dispose of these stockpiles.
A Russian FAB-5000 M54 high-explosive bomb in the vicinity of Zakho, northern Iraq (August 2004).Another eye-opener for contractors was the large number of countries that had supplied Saddam’s arsenal—including Belgium, Brazil, Chile, China, France, Italy, Russia, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Sweden and the former Yugoslavia. Munitions from at least 19 nations were uncovered during the inventories of the depots and caches.
In October 2003, Coalition Forces reported they had located 6,444 munitions caches, of which 682 remained to be removed or destroyed. Furthermore, over 100 of the remaining sites were deemed to be large (i.e., 100 munitions storage bunkers or warehouses in each).
In September, the Army hired four civilian contractors to collect, store and begin destroying about 600,000 tons of Iraqi ammunition, said Col. Paul Plemmons, 50, of Riverside, Calif.
Funding was provided to the Corps of Engineers on 28 July 2003 to commence CEA operations. USACE awarded several contracts on 8 Aug. 2003—one to the Parsons Corporation (Pasadena, Calif.) for $80 million (U.S.) to provide the logistical support for the overall effort, and three contracts worth $67 million each to the following unexploded ordnance contractors: Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technologies (Knoxville, Tenn.), Tetra Tech-Foster Wheeler (Pasadena, Calif.), and USA Environmental, Inc. (Tampa, Fla.).
I’ve got to hand it to you Lee. You are simply tireless in your efforts to make yourself look utterly ridiculous. If only you could see yourself through others eyes. All of your citations concern CONVENTIONAL armaments (high explosives, artillery shells), NOT WMD (Nuclear, chemical or biological). If Bush had claimed Saddam had huge stashes of CONVENTIONAL weapons before March 2003 and Scott Ritter and others had claimed he did not then you’d have a point. But that’s not what Bush and his minions were claiming.
Continuing on with this any further is simply a sad commentary on how deluded and ignorant you are. Please stop before you sound any more foolish.
Hoisted by his own petard…
…unless you count the HMX, RDX, Sarin nerve gas, chlorine gas bombs, and mustard that WERE FOUND gas as WMD.
No nuclear bombs were found, be we did find 500,000 pages of engineer’s notes on their bomb making efforts, right up to 2001, so we KNOW they were working on NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
We captured 2 highjacker training camps, with videos and course materials on how to deploy poison gas and anthrax on civilians. What do you think was going on there?
Chlorine bomb kills 27 in Iraq.
07/04/2007.
ABC News Online
A suicide bomber has blown up a truck packed with TNT and chlorine gas killing 27 people in the insurgent bastion of Ramadi The attack targeting a police …
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1891852.htm
I know these WMD don’t exist in the minds of those who hate America, but..
Here’s a great little YouTube clip to put things in perspective for our defeatist leftist brethren.
Says who?
Chlorine plants all over the United States have been left vulnerable to attack six years after 9/11.
I guess that the Bushies just don’t recognize WMD plants when they see them.
Wikipedia:
Beginning in 2003, the ISG had uncovered remnants of Iraq’s 1980s-era WMD programs. On June 21, 2006 Rick Santorum claimed that “we have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons”, citing a declassified June 6 letter to Pete Hoekstra saying that since the 2003 invasion, a total of “approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent” had been found scattered throughout the country.[104][105]
The Washington Post reported that “the U.S. military announced in 2004 in Iraq that several crates of the old shells had been uncovered and that they contained a blister agent that was no longer active.” It said the shells “had been buried near the Iranian border, and then long forgotten, by Iraqi troops during their eight-year war with Iran, which ended in 1988.”[9]
Try to have the guts to directly deny the facts. I dare you.
Say there was no hijacker training camp in Salman Pak, Iraq.
Say that artillery shells filled with chlorine gas, mustard gas, Sarin, or biological poisons are not WMD.
Or just say you don’t care.
It’s okay. Lots of liberals didn’t care about the 500,000 killed in Rwanda while Clinton looked the other way. And Democrats still openly deny the millions killed by communists after they surrendered Vietnam and Cambodia to the savages.
We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad.
—Donald Rumsfeld March 30, 2003
Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find — and there will be plenty.
—Neocon scholar Robert Kagan April 9, 2003
We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.
—George Bush April 24, 2003
Before people crow about the absence of weapons of mass destruction, I suggest they wait a bit.
—Tony Blair 28 April, 2003
There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
—Donald Rumsfeld April 25, 2003
We’ll find them. It’ll be a matter of time to do so.
—George Bush May 3, 2003
Before the war, there’s no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.
—Gen. Michael Hagee,
Commandant of the Marine Corps May 21, 2003
Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we’re interrogating, I’m confident that we’re going to find weapons of mass destruction.
—Gen. Richard Myers,
Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff May 26, 2003
They may have had time to destroy them, and I don’t know the answer.
—Donald Rumsfeld May 27, 2003
For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
—Paul Wolfowitz May 28, 2003
G.W. Bush (8/26/2006 press conference)—
“Now, look, I — part of the reason we went into Iraq: was — the main reason we went into Iraq: at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn’t, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction.”
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Wikipedia
On September 30, 2004, the U.S. Iraq Survey Group Final Report concluded that, “ISG has not found evidence that Saddam Husayn (sic) possessed WMD stocks in 2003, but the available evidence from its investigation—including detainee interviews and document exploitation—leaves open the possibility that some weapons existed in Iraq although not of a militarily significant capability.”[92] Among the key findings of the final ISG report were:
1. Evidence of the maturity and significance of the pre-1991 Iraqi Nuclear Program but found that Iraq’s ability to reconstitute a nuclear weapons program progressively decayed after that date;
2. Concealment of nuclear program in its entirety, as with Iraq’s BW program. Aggressive UN inspections after Desert Storm forced Saddam to admit the existence of the program and destroy or surrender components of the program;
3. After Desert Storm, Iraq concealed key elements of its program and preserved what it could of the professional capabilities of its nuclear scientific community;
4. Saddam’s ambitions in the nuclear area were secondary to his prime objective of ending UN sanctions; and
5. A limited number of post-1995 activities would have aided the reconstitution of the nuclear weapons program once sanctions were lifted.
Lee, I don’t have to say anything about the non-existence of Iraqi WMD.
Dear Leader already did.
Still waiting for your evidence about Salman Park.
Oops, Lee.
It looks like the U.S. Senate, the DIA, and the CIA looked into your allegations and couldn’t find any substantiation.
You lose. Again.
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On September 8, 2006, “Phase II” of the Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq was released.[24] On page 83 of the report, the following is stated under the heading “Postwar Information on Salman Pak”:
“In a response to questions from Committee staff asking if DIA recovered or received information or intelligence, after the raid on Salman Pak in April 2003 that indicated non-Iraqis received terrorist training at the Salman Pak facility, DIA said it has “no credible reports that non-Iraqis were trained to conduct or support transnational terrorist operations at Salman Pak after 1991.” DIA assessed that the foreigners were likely volunteers who traveled to Iraq in the months before Operation Iraqi Freedom began to fight overtly alongside Iraqi military forces…DIA said it has “no information from Salman Pak that links al-Qa’ida with the former regime.”
In June 2006, CIA told the Committee that: There was information developed after OIF (Operation Iraqi Freedem) that indicated terrorists were trained at Salman Pak; there was an apparent surge of such reporting. As with past information, however, the reporting is vague and difficult to substantiate. As was the case with the prewar reporting, the postwar sources provided few details, and it is difficult to conclude from their second-hand accounts whether Iraq was training al-Qa’ida members, as opposed to other foreign nationals. Postwar exploitation of Salman Pak has yielded no indications that training of al-Qa’ida linked individuals took place there, and we have no information from detainees on this issue
BTW, Lee, how many will have died in the Sudan by the end of Dear Leader’s eight years?
You’re really pathological about hating Clinton.
So far, you haven’t offered anything other than a childish, “It ain’t so!” to every article I have posted about poison gas, nuclear bomb R&D, and terrorist training camps in Iraq.
They are all real. Clinton said they were there, Daschle, Kerry, Durbin, Hillary, and Pelosi all made speeches about them being there.
Some we did not find. Some we did. We captured 650,000 tons of chlorine gas, Sarin, mustard gas, and 500,000 pages of engineering documents on the nuclear bomb and anthrax R&D.
Salman Pak – Iraqi Hijacker and Terrorist Training Camp
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm
Lee in 2007 would you rather (A) Have 500,000 American troops in Vietnam waging combat with an elusive and resourceful enemy where thousands of Americans and Vietnamese are dying. A war in which both countries are spending billions on weapons and medical care or: (B) America dealing with a non-beligerent, peaceful, progressive former enemy, where the primary issures involve trade and travel restrictions.
I’d choose B, but that’s just me.
bud, my guess is that you are too young to have any personal knowledge of Vietnam.
A) The Soviet Union was backing communists in North Vietnam. We killed 2,500,000 of them, totally defeating them in almost every engagement.
B) With the Soviet Union destroyed by Reagan, most communists are much less belligerent. Their pragmatism demonstrates what baloney all that socialist theory really is.
I doubt you care that they murdered 4,000,000 innocent civilians, as long as their coolies today will make clothes for you cheaper than cut-and-sew workers in the rural South.
I’ve rebutted every one of your allegations with official reports plus, in one case, the words of der Decider.
Your unsupported response of “Is so!” is the only childishness on this thread.
Lee, you just made my point. It was the SOVIET UNION that collapsed shortly after THE USA lost in Vietnam. So losing the war did not have any long-term effect on the cold war.
This is almost identical to our situation today in Iraq. After we finally withdraw our troops there will be no long-term impact on our ability to track down terrorists. (Excuse me but I refuse to use the expression War on Terror. That term really has no meaning).
The Soviet Union didn’t collapse “shortly after” Vietnam. Reagan brought the USSR down 14 years later.
The USA didn’t lose in Vietnam. The politicians kept calling ceasefires which let the enemy recover from losing every battle. Richard Nixon set a timetable for withdrawal andthe Democrats cut off the funding for Vietnamization, which sent 3,000,000 Asians to the communist death camps.
I wanted to enter this Knight Ridder article into the record. It’s relevant generally about the misuse of intel by neo-cons and Bush in deceiving the American people into attacking Iraq.
But, specifically, it’s apropos because two of the sources of much of the intel about Salman Pak were Iraq National Congress (INC) sources.
Lee’s citation is basically a rehash of the disinformation spread by these agit-prop meisters.
Iraqi Exile Group Fed False Information to News Media
Global Misinformation Campaign was Used to Build Case for War
WASHINGTON – The former Iraqi exile group that gave the Bush administration exaggerated and fabricated intelligence on Iraq also fed much of the same information to leading newspapers, news agencies and magazines in the United States, Britain and Australia.
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The defector, an engineer, Adnan Ihsan al Haideri, claimed in a Dec. 20, 2001, New York Times article by Judith Miller that there were biological, nuclear and chemical warfare facilities under private villas, the Saddam Hussein Hospital and fake water wells around Baghdad….Several requests to The New York Times to speak to Miller were not answered.
The assertions in the articles reinforced President Bush’s claims that Saddam Hussein should be ousted because he was in league with Osama bin Laden, was developing nuclear weapons and was hiding biological and chemical weapons.
Feeding the information to the news media, as well as to selected administration officials and members of Congress, helped foster an impression that there were multiple sources of intelligence on Iraq’s illicit weapons programs and links to bin Laden.
In fact, many of the allegations came from the same half-dozen defectors, weren’t confirmed by other intelligence and were hotly disputed by intelligence professionals at the CIA, the Defense Department and the State Department.
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The articles made numerous assertions that so far haven’t been substantiated 11 months after Baghdad fell, including charges that:
* Saddam collaborated for years with bin Laden and was complicit in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Intelligence officials said there is no evidence of operational ties between Iraq and al-Qaida, and no evidence of an Iraqi hand in the attacks.
* Iraq trained Islamic extremists in the same hijacking techniques used in the Sept. 11 strikes and prepared them for operations against Iraq’s neighbors and possibly the United States. Two senior U.S. officials said that so far no evidence has been found to substantiate the charge.
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The defector, an engineer, Adnan Ihsan al Haideri, claimed in a Dec. 20, 2001, New York Times article by Judith Miller that there were biological, nuclear and chemical warfare facilities under private villas, the Saddam Hussein Hospital and fake water wells around Baghdad.
Senior U.S. officials said U.S. arms inspectors have found no fake wells or a laboratory under the hospital. Some secret rooms have been located under villas, mosques and palaces, but the officials, who asked not to be identified, said they weren’t among locations that al Haideri claimed to know about.
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U.S. intelligence officials have determined that virtually all of the defectors’ information was marginal or useless, and that some of the defectors were fabricators or embellished the threat from Saddam.
Try to explain away all those captutred 500,000 pages of engineers’s notebooks on the construction and development of Iraq’s nuclear bomb.
What about Salman Pak, the terrorist training camp with the airliner, busses, train cars, and instructions on use of anthrax, chlorine, mustard gas, phosgene, and Sarin on civilians?
Democrats’s claims of Iraq’s WMD
http://www.reasons-for-war-with-iraq.info/index.html
I know the hard core haters of America will never directly address any instance of captured WMD, thwarted plots, evidence of nuclear and biological weapons research, or terrorist training camps.
But they serve as useful idiots for us to encourage readers with open minds to search the internet for all hundreds of news stories even in the liberal newspapers and TV about these FACTS.
Clinton’s Intelligence Experts Testify that Iraq was Behind Sept 11 Attacks
Former CIA Director James Woolsey and Iraq scholar Laurie Mylroie offered sworn expert testimony in a largely overlooked lawsuit filed by the families of two people killed on 9/11. They are suing Iraq’s government, among other rogue entities and individuals, for allegedly helping to murder their loved ones.
“I believe it is definitely more likely than not that some degree of common effort in the sense of aiding or abetting or conspiracy was involved here between Iraq and the al Qaeda,” Woolsey said on March 3. President Clinton’s CIA chief from 1993 to 1995 added: “Even if one cannot show that…any of the individual 19 hijackers were trained at Salman Pak, the nature of the training and the circumstances suggest, to my mind, at least, some kind of common aiding, abetting, assistance, cooperation — whatever word you might want to take.”
Mylroie, a Pentagon terrorism consultant and Iraq-policy adviser to Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign (and author of The War Against America), also testified March 3. She believes “It took a state like Iraq to carry out an attack as really sophisticated, massive and deadly as what happened on September 11.”
Lee writes:
“I know the hard core haters of America will never directly address any instance of captured WMD, thwarted plots, evidence of nuclear and biological weapons research, or terrorist training camps.”
I guess that makes the President a “core hater of America” since, as RTH has shown on numerous occasions, George W. has admitted there is no WMD or terrorist training camps.
Saddam celebrated and rejoiced upon getting the 9-11 tragedy news. So, no matter what else he did or didnt do, that activity was enough reason to take his regime out. Who cares about WMD, I know the Dems dont as they would openly allow Iran to build nuclear weapons while appeasing them.
All the lefties can do is play childish word games. They dare not touch a single example of Iraq’s nerve gas, nuclear program, hijacker training camps, financing suicide bombers, etc.
The same newspapers which ran the stories of all this evidence still editorialize about “no WMD” in the face of reality.
If the Democrats win in 2008, the terrorism they want unleash will visit them, just as they came after Coward Clinton.
Lee-
All the lefties can do is play childish word games.
Lee-
The same newspapers which ran the stories of all this evidence still editorialize about “no WMD” in the face of reality.
Talk about word games. Why would newspapers discredit their own stories unless they had solid evidence to do so? That makes no sense.
Editors can’t discredit news stories about WMD. All they can do is discredit themselves by lying that Iraq had no WMD, when the inventory of what has been found is public record.
Some of the Democrat media is so dumb that it tries to discredit President Bush by wailing about WDM which is missing, the same WMD they claimed didn’t exist.
Let’s try this one last time then I’m done.
George W. Bush has stated on numerous occassions and even joked (in a luncheon with the Press Association) about our failure to find WMD. It’s George W. Bush himself that has concluded his own administration was wrong in suggesting Iraq had large quantities of WMD. It’s not Al Franken or CBS news saying that, it’s George W. Bush.
G.W. Bush (8/26/2006 press conference)—
Looks like your argument is with Dear Leader, Lee. He gets daily briefings summarizing threats to the U.S. and security concerns from all 15, or so, U.S. intel agencies.
Even more damning, if he could validate the principle causus belli for invading Iraq then his approval ratings wouldn’t be in the tank.
Is Karl Rove, Bush’s brain, asleep at the switch? Have we discovered Saddam’s WMD but even Faux News won’t tell the American people?
The president can call a press conference or a speech at the drop of a hat. He has almost direct access to the American people.
Is GWB covering up the discovery of Saddam’s WMD at great political cost and damage to his legacy?
Reality bites you in the butt, again, Lee.
About word games… the Iraqi WMD are only “missing” in your mind. The intel professionals on the ground in Iraq who inteviewed scientists, technicians, bureaucrats etc. and searched for the weapon concluded that the WMD weapons didn’t exist when we invaded Iraq.
IOW, WMD are “missing” just as leprechauns are “missing.”
For the record, Lee, I think that the U.S. is a great and wonderful nation.