This was passed on to everyone on one of those huge e-mail lists that seem to go to half the world; the originator was not identified:
On another note – I attended the debate between the gubernatorial candidates, sans the governor, that you had emailed about. Oscar Lovelace was a very close childhood friend of mine in middle school so, although I have never voted for a Republican and told him I consider myself a liberal Democrat, I sent him a check early in his campaign based on my knowledge of him as a person. I went to the debate prepared to wince at his positions but came away feeling that he was by far – by far – the strongest candidate. I disagree with his personal opinion on abortion (although he claims it is personal and would not, as governor, support policies banning abortion) and am leery of his position on property taxes (he’s changed his position from abolishing all property taxes to relief only for the elderly poor, but I’m still skittish). But he has been a rural physician for 20 years and I believe his compassion for the less advantaged is deeply genuine and his knowledge of health care issues in SC is comprehensive. He is a fierce defender of public education and health care reform and I know, personally, that he’s passionate about the environment. And he was also the only speaker who was even close to rousing – Moore and Willis were woefully, drearily, paralyzingly uninspiring. He sells himself as a communicator, which he is in stark contrast to the others, and, frankly, he came across as the most progressive of the 3 candidates. So I’ve decided to vote in the Republican primary and forfeit my primary Democrat vote. And, believe me, this is a first!!
To which I could only respond:
How can anybody who’s old enough to be interested in going to a
senior center NEVER have voted for a Republican, or NEVER have
voted for a Democrat? Stuff like this just leaves me flabbergasted…
I guess I should be happy this person is finally broadening his or her horizons. Next thing you know, a Republican will return the compliment.
Well, it COULD happen.
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That told us exactly nothing of substance about what Oscar Lovelace actually believes or wants to do as governor.
What, you can’t click on his Web site?
How can anybody who’s old enough to be interested in going to a
senior center NEVER have voted for a Republican, or NEVER have voted for a Democrat
Maybe this person NEVER found a Republican (or Democrat) with whom he agreed on enough issues to vote for that person.
I don’t know why this is so inconceivable to you. Frankly, you seem more obsessed with party identification than the people you’re constantly railing about.
Yes, Mr. Warthen, I am accustomed to getting my own information about the candidates, because the newspaper does not do that.
You are obsessed with labeling people, instead of understanding their conception of the social and political issues.
I went to Oscar’s website. He has a blog but no one but him has ever commented on it. Where is Mary Rosh when you need her? Oscar seems to be an honorable candidate but he needs to start out with county commissioner or school board before attempting the big time. Every time I see his picture, I think, Cable Guy!!!!! Ace Ventura. The Grinch.
Brad, The State outdid itself this morning. Other than the bit about the National Guard (I don’t really understand what is so bad about using the Guard at our borders, in fact that’s what I thought it was for?), this was a great editorial page.
The cream? David Brooks. Just look at this:
YES!!! Read this whole piece, it is excellent!
Lee, go elsewhere. Leave your toxic posts somewhere else. We are tired of them. Go listen to Rush and all the rest if you want. Then go get yourself a place on a nice South-sea island, and let other people get on with the job of relating to one another and forging the relationships and compromises necessary in a democratic republic. We would like to build consensus, while restrictionists like yourself can only label and destroy. We don’t need that. Not at all.
It would be interesting to caluculate the number of posts on this blog where Lee has the first word, and the last. I’ll wager it is over 75%. We could do with a lot less.
The truth is toxic to the promoters of illegal foreigners.
David Brooks is a great example of the selfish people who spend their lives rationalizing instead of executing a vision. He calls himself a pragmatist, as if he were a philosopher. A school philosophy might have a grand plan for how some limited, regulated immigration would benefit our nation. Brooks is a passive bystander who lets illegal aliens and law-breaking employers execute their personal selfish interests, without regard to how it harms America and its citizens.
Brooks complains about the critics of illegal aliens citing the factual data about how damaging this crime wave is, but he doesn’t even attempt to contradict the facts, explain them away, or offset them with some alleged benefit.
These illegal aliens are not immigrants. Immigrants are people who come to a country as legal invitees, with the intention of becoming assimilated into that culture.
What we have is an invasion of criminal illegal aliens, promoted by a corrupt Mexican government which is a partner in narcotics trafficking, and promoted by sleazy businessmen here who don’t care what mess they leave for the next generation, as long as they can make a quick dollar by using illegal workers.
I’m impressed with how Herbert has picked up the +5 Sword of Common Sense in the absence of the anti-Bushbabians. Keep swingin’, Herb; you’re on point.
Also, how can any of us trust someone named Lovelace? Did y’all learn nothing from reruns (or in some cases, original run)of Wild, Wild West? Robert Conrad would only sigh in disgust.
It’s LOVELESS. Dr. Miguelito Quixote Loveless. C’mon, Jim, get it together. He’s your archenemy, after all.
— Artemus Gordon
Bush and other liberals and moderates are ignoring the consensus of the American people on immigration, and even more so on the illegal aliens. See the following polls from years past:
Wall Street Journal/NBC News, December 1998
* 72% feel “immigration should not increase because it will cost U.S. jobs and increase unemployment.”
Horatio Alger Association, August 1996
* 67% of teens feel legal immigration to the U.S. should be reduced.
NPG/Roper Poll, February 1996
* 83% of Americans favor a lower level of immigration.
* 70% want immigration reduced to 300,000 annually.
* 20% want to halt all immigration.
CBS News/New York Times, September 1995
* 63% of Americans think immigration levels were too high.
* 66% of Republicans want less immigration.
* 60% of Democrats want less immigration.
Time/CNN, September 1993
* 80% consider it important for the federal government to track down illegal aliens living the United States.
* 73% feel the U.S. should “strictly limit” immigration.
* 50% favor requiring all U.S. citizens to carry a national identification card.
Newsweek, July 1993
* 59% feel that immigration was a good thing for this country in the past.
* 60% feel that immigration is a bad thing for this country now.
CNN/USA Today/Gallup, July 1993
* 76% feel that immigration should be stopped or reduced until the economy improves.
* 65% believe immigration should be decreased generally.
Hispanic USA Research Group survey of Hispanic Americans, June 1993
* 89% of Hispanic Americans strongly support an immediate moratorium on immigration.
* 74% feel fewer immigrants should be allowed and stronger restrictions should be enforced.
If that’s his entire name, Lovelace (Loveless, full disrespect for midget-villain intended) was a possible illegal immigrant.
Lee, the Wild, Wild West DVD boxed set (especially those episodes featuring the aforementioned tiny tyrant) may prove to be a windfall in composing your case against this hated population trend!
It is not surprising that those who want to just sit by and do nothing about illegal aliens would not offer any arguments for the benefits of these trespassers.
All they have to offer are reasons why they do nothing:
* “We can’t round them up.”
* “We can’t build a fence.”
* “They just want to better themselves.”
* “We must have a comprehensive solution, not just law enforcement.”
* “We are afraid of being called racists.”
* “What about the children…”
Capital A – admit it, you are addicted. We knew you would be back.
In his heart, he knows we’re right.
I’m more of a lurker now. I knew if I (and a couple of boisterous others) got out of the way, others would see you two for what you are…or, at least, for what your ‘net persona is.
I had directed a valued friend to come and review this blog and to possibly participate. She took a gander, and when I asked her what she thought, she said, “Allen, these people are losers. What are you doing on there?”
Who’s to argue with the cold logic of a tall, leggy blonde? Not I, dear sirs, not I.
I decided to maybe chime in with a few mildly humorous quips on occasion. After all, what’s to lose?
Capital A – keep those quips coming. At least when you say tall, leggy blond that ruled out Hillary! Now, you aren’t hanging with Mary Rosh now are you?
Hey Cap, we missed you. I was thinking about making some derogatory comment about the SEC in order to fire you up. Now I’m glad I didn’t have to.
Aww, thanks, guys. My time off has done you two some good;)