McCain’s S.C. bandwagon overflows

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Over the last few months, I’ve been getting one e-release after another announcing that this or that S.C. GOP leader has joined John McCain’s "Straight Talk America" team.

Last week, it got to the point that I was beginning to wonder who was left. So when the campaign told me Friday that state Sen. Billy O’Dell had joined up, I wrote back to ask for an inclusive list.

Brad Henry of the McCain campaign in S.C. responded:

The current Straight Talk America co-chairs for SC are as follows:

  • Senator Lindsey Graham
  • Attorney General Henry McMaster
  • Adjutant General Stan Spears
  • Senator Glenn McConnell
  • Senator John Courson
  • Senator Billy O’Dell
  • Former Congressman John Napier
  • Former Attorney General Charlie Condon
  • Former US Attorney Bart Daniel
  • Former US Attorney Strom Thurmond, Jr.
  • Bob McAlister
  • Carroll Campbell, III
  • Paula Harper Bethea

So think about it. He’s got his buddy Lindsey, of course. But he’s got the Campbellites — and it was the Campbell/Bush machine that did him in last time around (Carroll III, Bob McAlister). He’s got Charlie Condon. He has progressive business-type Paula Harper Bethea, and neoConfederate Glenn McConnell.

He’s got three former U.S. attorneys, each of which brings something different: Longtime party chair McMaster brings his contacts and credibility; anti-corruption crusader Bart Daniel gets him the REform wing; young Strom brings him the Thurmond family name.

Do you think the Christian Right is unrepresented at all (aside from McAlister, who cancels himself out by his principled opposition to the death penalty)? Never fear. I got this release today:

Senator Mike Fair to Join Straight Talk America

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                                                                                              Contact: Craig Goldman
Tuesday October 17, 2006                                                                                                                  703-684-0067

ALEXANDRIA, VA – South Carolina Senator Mike Fair has been named a state co-chair for Senator John McCain’s Straight Talk America PAC.  He will help the Senator elect Republican candidates in the remaining days of the 2006 campaign.
    Chairman of the Senate Corrections and Penology Committee, Fair has represented Greenville in the South Carolina Senate for eleven years.  He served in the South Carolina House of Representatives from 1984 to 1995, and he served on Greenville County Council prior to that.
    Fair supported President George W. Bush in the 2000 South Carolina presidential primary.
    “I have the deepest respect for Mike Fair and I am honored that he has chosen to be on our team,” Senator McCain said.  “Throughout his political career Mike has been a tireless advocate for conservative, pro-family causes and I look forward to working with him.”
    “I’m excited about helping John McCain elect Republicans this November.  Should he decide to run for president, I will campaign actively for him,” said Fair.  “America needs his conservative, experienced leadership for what may be the most challenging time period our country has ever faced.”

                                    # # #

Brad Henry
Straight Talk America
1600 Gervais Street
Columbia, SC  29201
(803) 799-8638 office

It looks like Sen. McCain has a whole new approach this time: He actually intends to win.

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68 thoughts on “McCain’s S.C. bandwagon overflows”

  2. LexWolf

    Hmmm…..here are just a few people that are NOT on the bandwagon:
    Gov. Sanford
    Lt.Gov. Bauer
    Sen. DeMint
    all 4 GOP congressmen etc. etc
    McCain’s list may have impressed the easily impressionable State editors but I see numerous gaping holes.
    Oh, and I certainly won’t vote for McCain.

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  3. bill

    By Ari Paul
    Don’t believe the hype. The Arizona Senator is not a moderate.
    There is a myth in the circles of the pragmatic American Left that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) is one of those Republican lawmakers who we like and can happily work with. He’s a maverick statesman, believes that the nature of a healthy legislature is manifested in a bipartisan consensus, and has worked on several seemingly liberal causes, such as campaign finance reform. He may be the Republican nominee for president in 2008, and some liberals might even vote for him.
    Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) wanted him to be his running mate. “John McCain is such a moderate,” one fellow liberal stated to me with authority. A former co-worker of mine from my days on the Kerry campaign answered the question “Who would be your ideal president?” with a firm “John McCain.”
    The myth needs to stop. McCain is not the man who will bridge the partisan divide and he is not the man that will rein in the Republican Party from its extreme rightward drift. McCain’s views on foreign policy and social affairs are solidly on the right, and his voting record shows him as a legislative enemy of working Americans. He will only advance a right wing agenda in a higher office.

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  4. bill

    By Chris Floyd
    After George Bush’s Rose Garden hissy fit, in which he declared that he would simply stop interrogating suspected terrorists unless he could torture them, John “I Only Flip-Flop On Matters of Deep Principle” McCain and the other so-called “Senate rebels” have capitulated to the unpopular president’s petulant demands.
    In the universe of moral perversion in which we now live, White House National Security (sic) Adviser Stephen Hadley called the pro-torture, anti-due process agreement between these deeply cynical power-gamesters “a good day for the American people.”

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  5. EdGrebs

    I wish that what Bill says was true, but I frankly don’t see how John McCain could be mistaken for a right winger. And, based on his fairly extensive and recent track record, I don’t believe he’d advance a far right agenda if he were to be elected president. He has been needlessly combative with the President, apparently to earn the accolades of the drive-by media. Then, when it really mattered and he had an excellent opportunity to stand for conservative principles, he collaborated with the left to dilute presidential powers on Supreme Court nominees. Most unnecessarily I might add. The man is unfit for the presidency on many levels, but being too far right isn’t one of them. Ed

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  6. bill

    Ed,I’m glad you’re sensible enough to realize the man is unfit for the presidency.If you don’t believe he’s too far right,I won’t argue with you.I felt the same way six months ago,but the more I read about McCain the more I think he’s a sham and a liar.He HAS been needlessly combative with the President,unless you consider his need to take his place.His collaborations with the left WERE needless.He’s a partisan Republican playing political games to gain power.Have you read the latest national news?
    Associated Press
    WASHINGTON – Some of the most notorious names in the war on terror are headed toward prosecution after President Bush signed a law Tuesday authorizing military trials of terrorism suspects.
    The legislation also eliminates some of the rights defendants are usually guaranteed under U.S. law, and it authorizes continued harsh interrogations of terror suspects.
    That “fight” with Bush was WWF fare.

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  8. Ed

    Yeah, I forgot momentarily the ridiculous and shameful position McCain took to “preserve the Geneva Conventions” about a month back. What a joke, or at least it would have been a joke had it not limited our ability to fully prosecute the war effort by getting information out of prisoners of war. I wouldn’t vote for McCain to be dogcatcher. The amazing thing to me is that the citizens of Arizona continue to put up with him. I guess the good news is that he’s about 70 years old…he can’t last too much longer. Ed

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  9. LexWolf

    “I guess the good news is that he’s about 70 years old…he can’t last too much longer.”
    We can only wish that he will have enough sense to retire soon. If not, he could be here another 30 years, like Strom or Sheets Byrd, long after their use-by date has expired.
    Now if only he had enough sense to also realize that he will never be president. And if Hillary realizes that she won’t be president either, things really might start looking up.

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  11. Lee

    President Bush is carrying out the war begun by Clinton in 1998 under unanimous vote by Democrats to “achieve regime change in Iraq by any means possible, in order to protect America from their weapons of mass destruction”.

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  12. Dave

    I don’t think McCain can win a SC primary having been the sponsor of CFR, against most tax cuts, weak on immigration, etc. The only thing he is solid on is national defense.

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  13. Fred Christian

    I lost all respect for McCain when he and Lindsay Graham caved on the Torture Bill that stripped citizens of the right to habeus corpus and subjected all of us to indefinite detention with trial before a secret tribunal at which we have no constitutional rights. All this and those smiling morons call it a “great day”! It is a great day…for oligarchs like Bush who, by signing that bill, elevated his powers to that of a Hitler or Stalin. And the fawning Congress, McCain included, went right along with it, while the rest of America yawned and was more concerned with Madonna’s adoption. Our grandchildren will ask us (if they’re not in detention camps) what we were thinking when we, the people, allowed this.

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  14. Lee

    Mr. Christian,
    * There was no such “Torture Bill”
    * The Constitution prohibits any of the things you imagine being perpetrated against US citizens.
    * The bill RESTRICTS procedures used in interrogation of irregular combatants captured and held by the military outside the US.
    * The Red Cross and UN have found no torture of any prisoners, and rated GITMO as better than most European prisons.
    Try to focus on real abuses, like the murders at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

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  15. LexWolf

    It would be really hilarious, if it weren’t so sad, how these lefties have no idea that no American citizens or residents would even fall under the “torture bill”. They are ranting and raving against the bill based on lies. This bill is exclusively for unlawful combatants and terrorists held outside the US.
    As far as I can tell, most of any abuse at Gitmo seems to be directed at the guards!:
    Gitmo guards often attacked by detainees
    By John Solomon, Associated Press Writer | August 1, 2006
    WASHINGTON –Fans. Shower sandals. Radios. Toilets. All innocent household conveniences, these items were fashioned into weapons by prisoners in the war on terror and used to attack their military guards at Guantanamo Bay, Pentagon memos reveal.
    In all, the Defense Department has documented hundreds of attacks by Guantanamo detainees on Military Police guards since 2002, ranging from head butting and spitting to routine dousing with cups filled with feces, urine, vomit and sperm.
    The guards also have been repeatedly grabbed, punched or assaulted by prisoners who reach through small “bean holes” used to deliver food and blankets through cell doors, the reports say.
    While serious assaults requiring medical attention are rare, the detainees’ attacks can be unnerving, according to the guards who currently endure them.
    “Seeing a human being act that way, it’s terrifying. And for the guards to continue to walk up and down the block, covered in urine and feces, it’s just a bad thing,” Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer Mack D. Keen told The Associated Press in an interview from Guantanamo.
    “You are constantly watching before you take your next step to see if something is about to happen.”
    More than 440 incident reports released under the Freedom of Information Act to a conservative legal group and reviewed by AP provide a rare daily chronicle of the tensions between guards and detainees from December 2002 through July 2005.
    A detainee “reached under the face mask of an IRF (Initial Reaction Force) team member’s helmet and scratched his face, attempting to gouge his eyes,” states a May 27, 2005, report on an effort to remove a recalcitrant prisoner from his cell.
    “The IRF team member received scratches to his face and eye socket area,” the report said.
    The report show there’s an average of about three incidents per week. The names of guards and prisoners as well as the final discipline were blacked out by the Pentagon.
    Often, guards went weeks without reporting problems; other times incidents were bunched together during times of frustration and tension.
    For instance, nearly a quarter of the incidents occurred in July 2005, the month dozens of detainees started an extended hunger strike.
    Tensions likewise flared during Christmas week 2004, with inmates frequently spitting on guards. On Christmas Eve, a prisoner who was angry that he couldn’t finish his meal was said to have used a plastic fork-spoon utensil — called a spork — to attack a guard collecting his tray……

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  16. bud

    I guess it’s ok to torture people, many of whom are probably not guilty of anything, just so long as they’re not American citizens. And right-wing talk radio hosts wonder why the world despises us so much.

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  17. Lee

    The Red Cross and UN found no one tortured by the US. They rated GITMO better than most European prisons.
    That’s why lying apologists for the enemies of America can only make wild charges, but not name dates, places, and people.

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  18. bud

    Lee writes:
    Try to focus on real abuses, like the murders at Ruby Ridge and Waco.
    Or Abu Ghraib. I thought about putting a link to the atrocious torture photos but decided not to. They are really extremely graphic. If you like just do a Google search and there are plenty of sites that have these very disturbing images. This is the type of stuff you neo-cons are defending. Disgusting.

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  19. Patrica

    Wow judging from the picture above does that mean State Senator Mike Fair is endorsing Senator Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island too? Because it sure does look like Senator McCain is. I am sure Senator Fair and Senator Chafee have a great deal in common.

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  20. Dave

    Bud, Abu Graib was a Disney vacation to the inmates compared to Saddam’s prisons. What would you prefer to experience, a dog barking at you (on a leash) or watching your hand go through a sausage grinder. Get real Bud. Someday after we (hopefully) rid the world of Kim Jung, you will learn of torture that will make Hitler’s group look like novices.

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  21. Randy Ewart

    Yes, we have license to do terrible things and betray the values for which soldiers die because the bad do worse things. The ends justifies the means, which is the same approach budding dictators use to squash dessent. Putin and some W defenders make the same justifications for their actions.

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  22. Lee

    What sort of hatred motivates Americans to mouth the lies about our soldiers routinely torturing prisoners?
    A rogue soldiers humiliated ( not tortured ) a few Al Qaeda and Taliban prisoners, were promptly prosecuted and the system fixed. The Red Cross and UN inspectors found NO EVIDENCE OF TORTURE.

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  24. Steve Gordy

    McCain’s biggest problem is the extent to which he has wrapped his arms around the cultural conservatives who adore W. After the midterms, association with W will drive people away like a stink bomb.

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  25. The Pink Flamingo

    THURS OCT 19 Rush Almost Gets It, This Is the BEST Time of Year!

    Cloak of invisibility? Cool.
    Liz Mair in GOP Progress pointed to Reply ↓

  • Doug

    Can we get all the excuses out now as to why the Democrats win the House and/or Senate?
    Which will it be?
    a) Mainstream liberal media brainwashed public
    b) Traitors who didn’t support our troops created too much anti-war sentiment
    c) Foley, DeLay, Abrahmoff, et al
    d) No big deal. Typical mid-term results.
    The bottom line is that if the Democrats (I’m not one) take over both houses, then it is a referendum on George Bush. His next two years will make the Clinton-Lewinsky debacle look tame by comparison. Six years in office and what has he done? Couldn’t even make a blip on the radar with his privatizing Social Security effort (which I support 100%).
    Dead wrong on immigration. His administration has been one of stubborn idealism, misplaced loyalty, reaction versus action. Anyone will be better in 2008.

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  • Lee

    Same old tactics they use every election.
    Sometimes they work, sometimes they don’t work.
    Don’t forget VOTER FRAUD.

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  • Doug

    Today’s quotes from someone who Lee would probably call a seditious traitor… oh wait, it’s Army Ranger Kevin Tillman, brother of Pat Tillman, the tragic poster boy for the Karl Rove’s propoganda machine.
    Maybe Kevin Tillman will run for President in 2008… one can hope…
    Quote:
    Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.
    Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.
    Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.
    Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.
    Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.
    Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.
    Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.
    Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.
    Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.
    Somehow this is tolerated.
    Somehow nobody is accountable for this.
    In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehow” was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.
    Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday.
    Full text here:
    http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019_after_pats_birthday

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  • Dave

    Kevin Tillman could be and should be courtmartialed for his insubordination. He is a disgrace to his honored brother if this is true.

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  • Doug

    Kevin Tillman completed his three year commitment to the Army in 2005. Unlike Dick Cheney, he didn’t have better things to do.

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  • Lee

    Doug plays the Democrat game of fantasizing about what I would say. I love the way Democrats who loathe the military will hide behind them at every opportunity.
    I don’t know who Kevin Tillman is accusing, but apparently he only has a vague notion, as he used no names.

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  • Doug

    Lee,
    If the names aren’t obvious to you, here’s a start:
    Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Limbaugh, Hannity, Snow, DeLay, Hastert,
    Murdoch, Halliburton… only Colin Powell gets a pass now since he figured out he was the prime dupe in Cheney’s war and got out
    when he saw the writing on the wall.
    These are the people who are ultimately responsible for the military coverup of Pat Tillman’s death. On that fact alone, Runsfeld should have been fired. But Bush never admits his mistakes.

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  • Randy Ewart

    Bush did finally admit he should not have said “Bring it on!”
    I notice that he does not give us that smirk very often any more. I guess he’s not as full of himself any more. These next two years will be an eternity for the Decider.

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  • Lee

    Doug,
    You imagine a lot of direct connections to people far above Pat Tillman. His death was a tragic mistake, but he could just easily died like other brave soldiers, by direct fire of the enemy. Or he could have been killed in vehicle accident, or by disease, as other soldiers have been killed.
    More soliders were killed training for D-Day than were killed on D-Day.
    When you put on the uniform and volunteer for combat, how you are killed or wounded in a combat theatre doesn’t matter.

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  • Doug

    Lee says:
    >When you put on the uniform and volunteer for
    >combat, how you are killed or wounded in a
    >combat theatre doesn’t matter.
    But when you are killed in action and the military covers up the fact that it was a friendly fire incident and tries to use your death as an instrument of propaganda, well, that does matter.
    Sorta like Jessica Lynch, but worse.

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  • Michael

    Half man-half snake John McCain will NEVER win the White House. He’s a loser, a liar, and a phony. The conservative base will NEVER agree to him as a candidate and they determine who the nominee will be.
    This is all window dressing on McCain’s part. He would be older than Reagan in office. He’s a Manchurian Candidate. He hates free speech. He loves illegal aliens. He thinks abortion is pretty cool. He likes homosexuals and thinks they should be able to marry. McCain? Not gonna happen, old crater face is going down hard in the primaries in 2008. Just like before. Only deference now is the base did not know what a creep he was. Lindsay Graham’s endorsement was the killer. Vice President Graham (as Rush calls him) is the only person worse than McCain, and I wouldn’t be surprised if McCain picks him as his running mate, making Rush look prophetic – except for the fact they’ll never get the nomination. It will be George Allen or Mitt Romney.

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  • Steve Gordy

    In response to Lee’s last post on 10/21:
    John Spratt (served honorably when Dick Cheney had other priorities);
    Tom Daschle (ditto);
    Bob Kerrey (Medal of Honor winner);
    Max Cleland;
    David Bonior (D-MI; Vietnam veteran);
    Wesley Clark (top grad, West Point ’66).
    This doesn’t even mention Al Gore and John Kerry (I didn’t vote for either), who were in Vietnam when Dubya was valiantly defending Houston against attack by the North Vietnamese People’s Air Force.

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  • Lee

    Since when did Democrats start holding up their political fiasco, Vietnam, as a honorable. I remember when they were calling our veterans “baby killers”?
    I remember Hillary and Gore as hippies demonstrating with Jerry Rubin outside the Democratic Convention in 1968. I remember Bill Clinton lying about being in ROTC and then fleeing to England to avoid arrest.
    Dick Cheney had a heart problem.
    So did Pat Buchanan, as well as torn knee cartlidge.
    GW Bush’s National Guard Unit was on call to Vietnam, and some of them were deployed there.
    Kerry, Daschle, Bonior, Cleland and almost every other Democrat voted in 1998 for America to wage war on Iraq “to eliminate their weapons of mass destruction”. In 2002, they demanded another vote so they could unanimously reauthorized President Bush to continue that war.

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  • Steve Gordy

    OK, Lee: You were in Chicago in ’68 (Bill & Hillary hadn’t even met thenn); Dick Cheney’s heart trouble hadn’t yet emerged; Pat Buchanan’s torn knee cartilage miraculously cleared up when he was a Nixon aide and no longer subject to the draft; Bush’s squadron was NEVER on call to Vietnam, and any squadron members who went to Nam went as individual volunteers. These are a few additional details to your alleged “facts”.

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  • Lee

    Steve, you resorted to outright fabrication and ignorant bluff. Anyone who wants to search can find Hillary’s own description of her demonstrating outside the 1968 Dem convention, or find pictures of a shaggy, bearded Al Gore in his Army M-65 jacket holding a sign there.
    One reason Bush got an early out from the Texas Air Nation Guard was that the TANG had to send some of their fighters to Vietnam. The other was that Bush had attended so many EXTRA drills and had so much excess flying time.
    – Source: Boston Globe series on Bush

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  • bud

    Lee will say just about anything, no matter how far removed from reality. But it’s fun to read his nonsense. Bush got out of TANG because he was bored with the whole “defending his country” thing and because of political connections he was allowed to. Since he didn’t get his REQUIRED physical he was not allowed to fly and as a result TANG had very little use for him. Bush was never in the slightest danger of actually fighting in combat.
    Gore and Kerry both went to Nam and served honorably. Cheney had other priorities (and it was not a heart condition).
    As for Hillary and Al Gore demonstrating, if that’s true I like them even more.

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  • Dave

    Bud, why then did Kerry get a less than honorable discharge which is the reason he REFUSES to release his full Form 180? Even after promising on national TV with Russert to release his 180, he only released a selected portion of it. Check it out.

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  • Lee

    Klinger Kerry spent his entire time in the military trying to manufacture a ticket out.
    GW Bush attended extra drills and EARNED and early out of the TANG.

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  • Randy Ewart

    Dave, taking a worst case scenario, suppose Kerry was dishonorably discharged. That doesn’t take away from the fact that he volunteered when he easily could have gotten a rich boy deferral.
    You have repeatedly stated your support for the military and the heroes fighting for their country. Because this guy is a democrat you try to disparage his overall record in favor of men who clearly used connections to avoid the war all together?
    This is on par with your defense of Foley simply because of his party affiliation.

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  • Lee

    Kerry joined the Naval Reserves in order to avoid the Army draft. Then he was shocked to be sent to Vietnam, so he ginned up some phony medals for himself for a few espisodes of combat.

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  • Dave

    Randy, Horseface actually carried a heavy and very expensive movie camera with him on going to Nam. Remember, this is back in the days when movies were filmed on huge tape reels. 8mm? NO normal human being would say, I am going off to war, and I will make a movie. Kerry, after his so-called famous purple heart lifesaving river firefight, took his river boat back to this supposedly extremely dangerous Cong infested area the next day, and re-enacted his heroism. If this guy doesnt make someone sick, no one will. A few days after that filming, he turned himself in for another paper cut purple heart, to get the three he needed to be sent home. He is a traitor and a disgrace to anyone who ever wore the uniform. I only hope the Dems let him run again.

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  • Randy Ewart

    Dave, nice essay about a man who served our country IN VIETNAM. Please write a similar essay about Cheney’s and Bush’s exploits serving our country.
    Once again, you provide an excellent example of a double standard.
    You proclaim the immorality of the left, then call Foley honorable. You provide a biased account of a decorated vet, but you overlook Bush and Cheney’s complete avoidance of the war then go on to call liberals treasonous America haters.
    I have yet to see you criticize a single republican for ANYTHING unless it’s Graham because he doesn’t blindly drink the kool aid.

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  • Lee

    Kerry didn’t volunteer for Vietnam. He hated it and wanted out.
    At home he cooked up stories of heroism, stories about throwing his, or some else’s, or his, war medals.
    And his organization was funded by the KGB, as we now confirm from research since the fall of the Soviet Union, just like Spiro Agnew, Richard Nixon, and the FBI said they were.
    Kerry was a useful idiot of the KGB.
    At least he didn’t go to Moscow like Clinton, as an active traitor and agent for North Vietnam.

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  • Dave

    Randy, John effin Kerry was there for 120 days and 3 scratches later abandoned his riverboat squad to go home and party on in his political career and gigolo exploits. Quite a guy no matter how you look at it. But, he also celebrated a Christmas (illegally) in Cambodia, let’s not forget that, even though none of his boatmates remember it. I wonder if he is out hunting this year?

    Obviously youhavent seen any of my earlier posts on Chuck Hagel, Chafee, McCain and other Gopers. And don’t forget, I am supporting Emile DeFelice, as an unpartisan.

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  • Randy Ewart

    Double Standard Dave.
    You were the one blasting people for not supporting the war and calling them treasonous. Cheney and W didn’t support their country when it came time for the Vietnam War and you give them a pass? What “scratches” did they suffer in defense of their country? At least Kerry was THERE and he VOLUNTEERED!
    Anyone who has served our country, especially serving in combat, has earned my respect for their service. I don’t have to like them, vote for them, or even respect anything else about them, but they did serve our country.
    You call Foley honorable but you completely dismiss Kerry. I find that sad. Voting for Emile doesn’t change the fact that you contintue to put party over patriotism.

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  • Dave

    Randy, you cannot keep your lies straight. Bush DID SERVE his country, how about recognizing that for a change? And I am dismayed that I get no credit for supporting Emile. What does a guy have to do around here?

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  • Lee

    Kerry and Gore joined the service to avoid the draft and combat infantry.
    Both hated the military before, during and after their time in uniform.

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  • Randy Ewart

    Dave, your double standard and hypocrisy is sad. You disparage Kerry’s service and his medals for getting “scratches” yet you brag about W “serving his country” when he clearly received a rich boy deferment while Kerry VOLUNTEERED. Of course you also called Foley “honorable”.
    How did I “lie” Dave? My position was that Kerry actually WENT to Vietnam and asked “what scratches did W get?” How is that lie? You are stooping to Lee level.

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  • Dave

    Randy, I can see you havent been in the service and dont understand how entry works. Thats OK, you arent a traitor for not serving. The ONLY way you get into the Air National Guard is by VOLUNTEERING, they dont draft into that. So W volunteered. Kerry, illegally and while still in active service, met with the enemy, North Vietnam, while we were still at war. His condemnation of our country’s efforts in Vietnam gave strength tothe enemy in a time of war. That is called treason. He could have been, and should have been arrested, and prosecuted for that action.

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  • Lee

    Randy is a kid who has no direct experience with the military, and was not even born when Clinton, Gore and Kerry were dodging the draft in 1966.

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  • Randy Ewart

    Dave, rich boys volunteered for the gaurd to AVOID Vietnam, but you already knew that didn’t you? You chose to leave it out because it doesn’t suit your agenda.
    His condemnation of our country’s efforts in Vietnam gave strength tothe enemy in a time of war. That is called treason. You are skewing the constitution as well as the bible to suit your OPINION?
    From the US Constitution: Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
    So condemning the US meets this criteria? Where is the line drawn? If I say I am against the war? If I say Bush misled us? If I say Bush lied? Who defines this criteria?
    I suggest you try researching the issue Dave. Only 1 person has been formally ACCUSED of treason since WWII. Your standards are shared by few others and are clearly a perversion of the Constitution.

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  • Dave

    Randy, how little you know. Depending on whose counts you use, about 53,000 US serviceman died in Vietnam. 10%, about 5700 of them, were reservists or national guard. Shame on you and the wacko Wally for denigrating anyone who wore the uniform. Iguess those 5700 were cowards and draft dodgers to you and Wally, correct? And you are a teacher.. very sad.

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  • Randy Ewart

    Dave please. Are you honestly suggesting that W was in danger of going to Vietnam? Are you suggesting that rich boys didn’t go the gaurd route to avoid duty?
    You are the one calling out people for “hating America” and being “treasonous”. You are the one who blindly bashes Kerry and supports Cheney (no gaurd duty there) and W. Don’t spout your allegiance to those in uniform when you turn against some for the sake of your party.
    Kerry VOLUNTEERED to go to Vietnam. W got a rich boy deferment. You unwillingness to acknowledge this reflects your blind partisanship.

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  • Dave

    W’s unit could have easily been all sent to the war. Some units were. So now you think a 2nd Lt. pilot controlled which units were sent to Vietnam. You need to serve a little time in the military yourself and find out how little control one has once you are in. And yes, rich kids pulled strings to get into units, but they served honorably. Rich kids pull strings to get into Yale and MIT also. Rich kids pull strings to get placed on the football team or baseball team at Irmo too. Rich kids pull strings to get everything my friend. What world are you living in. Spurrier’s kid is a little guy who cant run fast and he is on the Gamecocks roster. Where is your outrage?

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  • Randy Ewart

    Nice red herrings – from “treasonous America haters” to football.
    Oh, W was sent to a unit that could have “easily been sent overseas”? Rrriiggghhttt. He pulls strings to be put in that situation? No military service necessary to understand that.

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  • Lee

    Randy, you know nothing about the draft or Vietnam.
    That’s why you are a sucker for the lies of Clinton, Gore and Kerry.

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  • Dave

    Calling Reservists and Guard cowards and draft dodgers was an innovation of the leftist Democrats to smear Dan Quayle when he ran as Bush I’s VP. And yes, some rich brats got jumped on line to get into the volunteer reserves and guard, so what else is new. What is a disgrace is the Democrat party smearing ALL volunteers. But then again, this is the party that sent hundreds of lawyers to block military absentee ballots in Florida 2000. That will NEVER be forgotten.

    And Randy, bone up on some knowledge about Vietnam before spewing more foolishness to Lee or myself. Please.

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  • Dave

    John effin Kerry showed his true colors today, denigrating anyone who wears the uniform as ignorant and uneducated. How typical of this pompous arrogant traitor.

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