Just happened to notice that of the last 10 comments on my blog, eight were by Lee Muller — here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here.
And I thought Big Brother was hovering over my shoulder a lot; hanging on my every word. That’s nothing compared to Lee.
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Brad,
You know as well as I do that you trying to provoke Lee. You know which button to push when you put out your comments.
I will say this about Lee. He is one smart cookie. He could play the part of Slim Pickens in the movie Dr. Strangelove and ride that bomb all the way to Iran.
Can you arrange that?
Sometimes, here on the blog, I feel a little like Group Captain Lionel Mandrake, trying to speak extra carefully so as not to set off General Jack D. Ripper — I mean, my readers:
You’re trying to start discussions which include exchanges of sweet reason; unfortunately, you have some very obnoxious flies hovering about. Pesky, aren’t they?
What if journalists and editors used their power to do good?
You mean instead of wasting it by letting far-right extremists spread their messages on newspaper-sponsored blog comment sections?
It’s the facts you don’t like.
Actually, Karen, the comparison to a hornet is more to the point. First of all, Lee is so convinced of his own importance and intelligence that he’s intent on having the last word on every issue. The lack of humor goes along with that. Combine that with a racist, Aryan supremacist ideology, and it can be downright dangerous.
Harmless enough when there’s only one, but when a bunch of them get together? One should always watch out for people so convinced of their own importance.
Well, Dr. Demarco has already written that Lee keeps him off the blog. Brad’s lost his best blogger, apparently, because of his desire to be all things to all people. Admirable, but not always practical, in my opinion.
Herb, At least a hornet has some sharpness/sting to it. These flies merely carry diseases (insouciance to others, aryan supremecy, arrogance, and lies). I’m sorry that they’re there, but I’m not about to pay attention to a fly. The discussion can continue if we choose to. I know I don’t always agree with you or Brad, or several others, but I respect your opinions, and think about them. Other opinions I skip or read for amusement purposes.
You folks spend all your effort avoiding discussion of the issues, all your effort slandering those of us who offer facts, diagnoses and solutions. I know it’s hard to admit you liberal policies are all wrong, and have created this mess, but you konw it – that’s why socialistic liberals avoid discussion of the issues.
Karen,
Good points, but I still think that too much of Lee puts off good people. In Lencioni’s The Five Dysfunctions of a Team, he points out that conflict, if dealt with in the right way, is very creative. No one wants a blog where everybody agrees on everything. It’s through conflict of ideas that a team moves forward and makes progress and products that benefit everyone.
But the prerequisite to proper handling of conflict is an atmosphere of trust (even on an anonymous blog, a certain degree of trust can and must grow for there to be any degree of intelligent interchange of ideas), and trust cannot grow where personal attacks are in the forefront, and where participants are convinced that those who disagree with them are completely deluded. I will, very grudgingly, admit my own propensity for the former (I don’t think I am guilty of the latter), and apologize to Lee for such.
I really should stay away from this blog (and yet I keep coming back, don’t I!), because I constantly get sucked into responding in kind–I’m not as patient as you are. I guess I still lack a lot of the humor that Lee doesn’t even seem to know exists, but then people who know the answer to everything (or who get it, I would guess, from some ideological think-tank of ideas, quotes, and statistics) have a rough time putting up a ruse.
I should be more merciful, I know. Thanks for your example.
Lee wrote:
>socialistic liberals
WAAAAUUUUUUUUUGGGA!!!
That just made my morning.
So far, none of you has decided to move your conversation from the lowest level of personal gossip, to discussing ideas and things.
There are those who make things happen, those who watch them happen, and those who wonder what happened.
Then there are those liberals who don’t even wonder.
Lee,
There are those that sit around and watch TV and then there are those that want to be educated in current events.
The TV watchers can only equate any present serious problem with our country (too many to mention) to something they currently watch on TV in some sitcom or reality TV program.
The reason that newspapers are going out of business is because people do not read them. Most people do not even read the paper online where it is free. Young people only read what is assigned as part of their school curriculum.
History is one of the best teachers because it has a way of repeating itself.
This country is in a heck of a mess and a bushel basket will not hold it all. Where is real leadership that will tell it like it is and not sweep our problems under the political rug. The old saying that tell them what they want to hear instead of the truth is not going to sustain this nation. The problems that face us are too great and too many to keep being ignored by those that sit in Washington and authorize the printing of money to sooth the savage beast.
slugger,
Obama has no solutions, only preconceived Marxist and racist notions, mixed with radical Islam, a bunch of antiquated, bogus notions based on hate and envy.
It’s the Carter II Strategy.
He is an empty suit for a DNC machine, a new face they can sell. Voters are wise the Clinton, Nader, Biden, and those other socialists.
McCain is running on his personality and hero status, both of which are 20 years out of date. The deal cutting with Democrats will work against him. He hasn’t wised up, and is still courting independent voters who only wake up for sound bites every 4 years, and alienating the GOP base.
Lee,
The reason the Jessie Jackson said the things he did after his speech is that he does not like Obama. Obama is the candidate the Jessie worked all his life to be and here this new upstart comes into the picture in less then one term in the Senate and the blacks ignore all that Jessie did to move them ahead in life. He was even there when Martin Luther King was shot.
Jessie has a right to feel neglected by his party. We might not have heard all we will hear from Jessie. He had to tell it off the microphone to get the attention.
“What if journalists and editors used their power to do good?”
What if ordinary citizens spent as much time volunteering or mentoring as they do posting insipid rhetoric?
You mission to humble Brad will lead you nowhere, Herr Müller
“What if journalists and editors used their power to do good?”
What if ordinary citizens spent as much time volunteering or mentoring as they do posting insipid rhetoric?
You mission to humble Brad will lead you nowhere, Herr Müller.
Lee: As a factual matter, what is the price of Union Carbide stock today? You mentioned ’em on another thread earlier this week, I thought you knew.
Nothing is worse than those that cannot hear.
A closed mind is a wasted mind.
Open up the door to your mind so that you can assemilate information and not be brainwashed by the TV new media.
So many of you have been put into a box by watching news on TV. You only hear what you want to hear.
It is time that you start an education process that will save your children from the evil that “lives long after you”. Stop thinking of yourself and start thinking of what is going to happen to this country and your children and grand children. There is truth and there is fiction. Nobody wants to admit the truth that confronts our country. They want to believe the fiction that comes out of the mouth of Obama.
You either submit to the truth and put the politicians feet to the fire, or you perish in the fire along with generations to come. You are sitting on the future of this country with your vote in the booth in November. Obama will turn this country into a nightmire you do not want to put your children through because of your neglect to understand consequences of his election.
Good luck. I hope that your children will forgive “them for they know what they do’.
Slugger,
I don’t think most of us get our views from TV news.
You post a list of periodicals, newspapers (I mean the informative kind) and research journals where you get your information, and where you do your research, and I’ll post some of mine.
And Rush doesn’t count.
Just who will “assemilate (sic) information” that “Obama will turn this country into a nightmire” (sic)?
“Nightmire”-I like that!
Does that mean to be mired in night?
when someone (i.e Obama) mires someone else in night?
Sounds to me like the latest echo from the “Stormfront Cultural Learnings for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of America”!
I’m still waiting for “Slugger” to tell us about this “education process” that we all need, and where and with what sources.
Herb,
Go get you some Viagra and have a good time and do not worry about what will happen to the future of our country.
The slippery slope we are on is greased with oil and our money is going overseas to the oil nations so that they can take our money and buy the United States right out from under our noses with our own money.
This did not come from Rush. It is a fact.
“The slippery slope we are on is greased with oil …”
A slippery slope is a logical fallacy, sluggo. So is an appeal to fear.
“It is a fact.”
Are your stating that many of my fellow Americans are not so keen to invest in domestic alternatives- like the barley ethanol ( which is a much better option than corn) plant that you mentioned in Union County?
Or is that also a fact?
In the study of logic, there are no fallacies known as “the slippery slope”.
The slippery slope argument is that something is the first step, or another step, in a direction downhill, in the wrong direction, which will soon result in an uncontrolled slide into a bad situation.
Many slippery slopes are created by those seeking to deceive mass populations, by carefully controlling the first steps towards surrender of liberty by targeting very unpopular people. An example would be the International Criminal Court in The Hague, which answers to no people and no state legislature. It is being used now against unpopular tyrants to build power and set precedent for silencing critics to world government anywhere in the world.
“In the study of logic, there are no fallacies known as “the slippery slope”.”
Get the an education, Herr Müller. While not always a fallacy, it most often is, and as such related to the non sequitur:
http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html#Slippery%20slope
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html
Your example is definitely the latter, which is fully in keeping with your usual litany.
“Many slippery slopes are created by those seeking to deceive mass populations,”
Many slippery slopes are created by rhetorical extremists to justify their their appeals to fear- another fallacy.
“An example would be the International Criminal Court in The Hague, which answers to no people and no state legislature. ”
Has the US voted to support it or acceded to any demands? As far as I can tell, the answer is no, and therefore your point a non sequitur.
Try again, Herr Müller.
“non sequitur” seems to be the phrase currently most-used and most misused by liberals who cannot argue a point direcly, but want to pose as erudite. It doesn’t work any better than their use of “gravitas” did.
Maybe it’s the Latin.
The misdirection in your reply does nothing to controvert the fact that your claim about the slippery slope being non-fallacious is utter hogwash. When you bother to read the info in the links posted, you might see why.
You don’t know what a “slippery slope” is either.
Example:
Liberals and progressives promote abortion to reduce population of Asians and Negroes.
European liberals pick up ideas of racial culling and sterilize mentally retarded and others.
Nazis extend it to breeding programs.
Then they set up extermination camps.