Just thought I’d share with you this screen grab from The Washington Post earlier today:
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Just thought I’d share with you this screen grab from The Washington Post earlier today:
To all the louts who came out of your holes to put this creature in the White House:
You are as vile as the thing you just elected. I suspect that in very short order many of you will be having a bad case of buyer’s remorse. And I welcome his removal from office at any time and by any means.
I was looking for a primary reason why Trump won and won so handily in states where he should have lost by double digits. And then I come to Brad’s blog and the first thing I read was this missive by Kenneth Michael Prince and things cleared up for me rather quickly. Calling Trump voters as a whole, “vile louts” is one of the disgusting insults that have been hurled at his supporters. I know many who supported Trump and I can with all certainty they are not “vile louts”, they are for the most part, honest, intelligent, hard working, educated, and great contributors to the community. But when they are attacked with vicious words and equated with the lowest of life forms, the one making the comment is only increasing the chasm between opposing factions,
I followed the dictates of my conscience and did not vote for Trump or Clinton but I would never call supporters of either one names like you did Mr. Prince, never. I think you might want to look in the mirror and identify who the true “vile lout” is by using your own words to describe your reflection. If you cannot be civil, be prepared to be treated in a like manner in return.
Brad, are you going to allow this idiot’s insults? Look up the guy’s credentials, the guy is a loser from the day he was born.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenneth-michael-prince-856b1939
“The next step may be civil war — in a sense we’re already in it. And if it were left up to me, I’d almost welcome it!”
Now, now. You don’t really mean that.
Bryan, I just took that comment down.
Oh, the one I quoted?
Kenneth, we strive to have peaceful, civil discourse here. We don’t call for civil war — I think South Carolina’s done enough of that sort of thing. We also avoid calling names…
“If you cannot be civil, be prepared to be treated in a like manner in return.”
Nah. If someone isn’t civil to you, that reflects on them – not you.
The real incivility, indecency really, is what happened at the polls yesterday. I put my faith in what I thought was a basic sense of decency on the part of the American voter. My faith was misplaced and now that they’ve elected an SOB-in-Chief rather than a real president, that faith is gone.
Oh, and if you think I’M upset, I know someone who has started the process of getting an Irish passport and plans to move there — because she cannot stand the idea of being in the same country with that creature.
53% of white women voted for Trump. Are you calling them all racists and misogynists?
No, I wouldn’t call them that. Of course not.
Sorry. Couldn’t resist. I’m an Elvis Costello fan, and that sounded to me like a sound cue.
Here’s the thing… I’ve been wrestling since yesterday, when the world seemed less dim (and less smoky — has someone decided to burn down the country literally, as well as figuratively?), with writing about something I read yesterday.
I mentioned the piece on a post sometime yesterday. It was yet another piece trying to explain why people would support Trump, and as usual, it fell short. This is not a rational phenomenon, so it doesn’t yield to attempts to explain it rationally.
But one thing stuck with me, uncomfortably — the assertion that among other things, these people feel disrespected, and that’s one source of their much-mentioned anger. And I believe that’s true.
The hard thing for me is: What to do about it? I felt like that needed to be addressed even when it looked like Clinton probably would win (unlike some of my friends here, I never had the confidence to go beyond “probably”). Now, I think it still needs to be addressed, but I’m not sure how.
Surely, posting links like the one I posted at the start of this comment isn’t the way to do it.
But however I might try with good will to approach the subject, there’s this problem: I try to respect everyone, as fellow human beings, each with his or her own moral worth.
But I cannot respect their decision to vote for Donald Trump. I doubt I’ll ever be able to do that. It’s such an extraordinarily foolish and destructive thing — the worst electoral decision we’ve seen in our history as a nation.
So, it’s a challenge. But I’m pondering it…
“Are you calling them all racists and misogynists?”
No, I’m saying that those who lie down with dogs get up with fleas.
“Oh, and if you think I’M upset, I know someone who has started the process of getting an Irish passport and plans to move there — because she cannot stand the idea of being in the same country with that creature.”
Is it Justice Ginsburg?
“Nah. If someone isn’t civil to you, that reflects on them – not you.” As usual Bryan, you are correct. After the lack of civility in the campaign, it had an impact on me and how I respond to the uncalled for comments by others and it made me stop and think. I should have been clear on my comment about civility. It is a reflection on how this campaign has affected the civil tone and conversation between opposing factions and how it has degraded into fulfilling what was written.
I saw a good political cartoon where a Trump and Clinton supporter were sitting on a bench with their arms on each other’s shoulders. The captions read if my recollection is accurate, “We are not AmeriCANTS, We are AmeriCANS”.
We will live through the Trump presidency and hopefully we will have learned a valuable lesson along the way.
And for the person you know who has started the process of moving to Ireland, let them go with our best wishes. If we cannot stand our ground in our own country if our convictions are strong enough and important enough to fight for what we believe is right, then maybe it is a good idea to leave and not come back. No matter which side one is on, if one is not willing to fight for what they believe is best for their country, then their patriotism can legitimately be called into question. I am not implying extreme jingoism but honest concern and willingness to be active in making changes.
Four years of Trump will be no worse for Clinton supporters than it would be for Trump supporters if Clinton had won.
If you want to change someone’s mind, try reason, honesty, civility, and be sincere when expressing your position and beliefs. Anger, name calling, and threats to leave if your candidate doesn’t win is a sign of immaturity. I did not support either candidate but I do intend to do everything I can to be sure Trump is held accountable in everything he does. I would do the same if Clinton won but I would not cut and run. And if the celebrities who threatened to leave the country if Trump won actually do as they say, I will be surprised. Does anyone actually believe they will give up the luxurious lifestyle and mega-mansions in their wealthy enclaves of like-minded friends? Not likely.
If my country is not worth fighting for, maybe it is a good idea to find another one to live in.
Give the new Irish citizen a fond farewell and wish them well in their new country.
You mean the Auld Country?
No, wait… I think that’s Scotland…
Anyway, I applaud your appeal to civility. Always…
Four years of Trump will be no worse for Clinton supporters than it would be for Trump supporters if Clinton had won.
With this I differ. The greatest challenge facing not only the United States but every nation on the planet is climate change. Trump has made no bones about his opinion of climate change and how he feels about environmental regulations. With a Republican House and Senate, and what will surely be a right-leaning Supreme Court, he will pull out of the Paris climate agreement, eliminate environmental regulations, and stop all federal spending on on clean energy R&D. Most importantly, we will no longer be the leader in clean energy. China and some of the European countries will take over that role and reap its economic benefits. Without the US on board, many other countries are likely to abandon the agreement as well.
So four years of Clinton and hearings and gridlock would have been four miserable years for many of us. Four years of Trump will be four years of additional damage to the planet that we can never undo.
Mother Nature has an undefeated record, and she always bats last.
Has anyone bothered to check the stock market this morning? Dow is up, Nasdaq and S&P 500 are basically unchanged.
Where is all this panic in the street the liberal talking heads were reporting last night?
Always in motion, the future is.
Is that really what Yoda says after “Difficult to see”? I’ve always heard it and thought it was something else.
Here’s the clip I was thinking of.
https://youtu.be/nt7-WKXL5vw
This needs to be imbedded.
http://i.imgur.com/iXbtMUUh.png
It’s interesting how SC isn’t as red as many, many other states…
Other than that, this is similar to maps we’ve seen in recent years. The map is usually mostly red, with Democrats winning the smaller, denser metropolitan areas..
For instance, here’s what the map looked like in 2008 — when the Democrat won, and won pretty big:
Not to oversimplify, but I think this is largely a function of the relatively higher proportion of black voters in Southern states (as compared with states like Kansas and Oklahoma, for example), many of whom make up part of the vote in those urban areas you mention, but plenty of whom live in rural areas.
Oh, of course. That’s why redistricting is done by race. It ensures certain results. Cram all the black people into one congressional district, and it ensures the other six are safely Republican.
By the way, that map Claus shared was just a prediction, BEFORE the vote. We’ve yet to see the real map. But it should look just about that red…
From SCVotes.org, with 45 of 46 counties reporting.
By the way, everyone. Try and keep your sense of humor engaged. It’s not the end of the world. Go about your lives, and live your life. As I said before, the chief magistrate for the federal government should not directly affect your happiness as a person.
“Go about your lives, and live your life.”
Yeah, OK. I’ll try. Tomorrow night I have to attend a community meeting about DOT’s plans to raze my neighborhood.
So, there’s that…
While you’re there, beware of the leopard.
But sometimes he does, Bryan. As a Republican strategist on PBS said several times last night, one unfortunate effect of Donald Trump’s actions and statements has been that lots of people feel empowered to express sentiments that until recently were fundamentally unacceptable and best not encouraged. I live in an area with a heavy Muslim population. Today I was talking with a Muslim co-worker (immigrant family), and she said that her family has always taken lots of road trips. They’ve decided to stay closer to home because they have become afraid that harassment may increase. Are they just being paranoid? I think not, and I think many of Trump’s statements provide encouragement to those who would harass them. I realize you may disagree.
Various groups are genuinely afraid of what may have been unleashed. Those groups may or may not be wrong, but the fear is there, and I don’t think it’s irrational.
I thought this was funny:
http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/14433163_1184731134923471_2236093850192835997_n_zpsu58ondbd.jpg
That IS funny, Claus.
By the way, any of y’all see “Minions?” I first saw it a couple of months back, with my grandchildren, and was really impressed. It was hilarious, and VERY well crafted.
I think it’s the most perfect manifestation of Hollywood’s formula with animated films the last few years — make a cartoon for kids that adults will get, and enjoy, on another level. So the adults will take the kids to see it.
I do wonder about the demographics this was aimed at, though: They set it in the ’60s, so all the cultural jokes, and the music, are from that period. So it seems like this one was aimed at kids and their grandparents, rather than parents.
Of course, we Boomers raised a generation of kids on 60s references, and they know the culture of that time FAR better than we do the world our parents grew up in…
Were Minions real, they’d all be happily scurrying along in Trump’s wake today, having found their new master…
Now that’s pretty funny.
I think the movie starts kind of slow, but really picks up once they go to Villain Con. The crown heist sequence is excellent animated movie action. My 5 year-old son is crazy about the minions.
Anybody heard from Lindsey Graham today? He was awful cocky yesterday talking about how he didn’t vote for Trump. He’s probably sitting in his Washington apartment wearing out his redial button on his cell phone hoping Donald will answer his call. But he won’t be alone, there will be dozens of career Washington politicians who refused to help him standing in line behind Lindsey.
“You didn’t lift a finger to help me win the election and you want me to do what for you?”
He Tweeted this at 2:42 a.m.:
“Wars to win”
Go home, Lindsey. Go play with your toy soldiers in your basement. Your world view is far more dangerous than Donald Trump’s.
You’re irrelevance nationally was confirmed in the primaries and now has been sealed in a gold plated box with the word TRUMP emblazoned on it.