Just saw this…
Trump says he is taking hydroxychloroquine to protect against coronavirus, dismissing safety concerns https://t.co/EJyTJqvemn
— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) May 18, 2020
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Really? Really?!?! REALLY?!?!?!?!?!??!
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When he goes into arrhythmia, he may reconsider the decision. Or blame the Democrats for poisoning him.
Well he doesn’t have it, so does it or does it not help? I take a multivitamin everyday, I haven’t gotten it either so maybe taking a multivitamin prevents me from contracting it.
Even a Fox News doctor said on the air he thought this was highly irresponsible.
But that is Trump..
Yet in another interview with Neil Cavuto, a doctor contradicted the other doctor and said Trump was doing the right thing and she supported the decision made between Trump and his doctor. She also clarified the point that has been made all along that the drug does not work for everyone, only for some.
Doctors do not always agree with other doctors on procedures and drugs.
Time to admit, “bad orange man” supports the use of hydroxychloroquine, therefore it must be bad and you cannot agree with using it even though there are multiple anecdotal reports from doctors not only in the US but other countries that the drug has been very effective as a treatment for COVID-19.
So, why are doctors in the EU ordering the drug by the millions for treating COVID-19. Are they wrong or incompetent? Or are they under the magical influence of the “bad orange man”? After all, we have been preached to constantly that health care in Europe is so much better than what it is here and the logical conclusion is that their doctors must be better than ours. Do you and any of the other critics have an answer for the question?
The obvious fact is that almost everyone posting on this blog dislikes Trump is not a surprise. What is a surprise is that because of the intense dislike of the “bad orange man”, you would ignore the benefits of using the drug to treat patients who could benefit and who are not in the demographic who should avoid using it.
If I should contract COVID-19 and am not getting any better, you can bet I would gladly take it without hesitation. My health is good and my immune system in good order. Haven’t had the flu or a cold in over 40 years. Why the hell would I refuse or denounce it because I don’t agree with a politician as my first line of argument against it?
Ever consider the possibility that your personal choice primarily based on disliking Trump and taking dissenting physician’s opinions could influence someone who meets the criteria for taking it could survive if they took the drug but listened to you and refused and they didn’t survive?
However, you have your opinion/viewpoint, I have mine.
Might potentially be a valid argument IF it didn’t involve encouraging an egotism that creates shortages of the drug for those with a well-founded, legitimate need for the it (such as those suffering from lupus). That’s what makes it irresponsible.
According to the available information after a brief search, pharmaceutical companies have already ramped up production and if the information is accurate, there is no shortage. No one pharma company owns the rights to the drug and it can be made by any major or generic pharma producer.
Again, according to sources found, companies around the world have increased production or have added it to their line(s) of drugs.
https://drugstorenews.com/pharma-companies-ramp-production-hydroxychloroquine-support-covid-19-response
As an added note, “bad orange man” does not own any significant stock or have holdings in Sanofi or any other pharma company according to Snopes. Link to Snopes and the mostly false reporting that Trump and family are somehow reaping major financial rewards and is the driving reason he is touting the drug.
Read for yourself if interested.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-profit-hydroxychloroquine/
Not intended to debate but to clarify some of the incorrect claims permeating the media that is to me is irresponsible. Therefore, I believe what I posted is a valid argument and is not founded on Trump’s egotism.
This is rather fascinating.
For me, Trump’s announcement that he was taking this didn’t really require any comment at all. It was sort of a “well, it’s come to this” moment. There was no need to explain how utterly strange it was.
I’ve been surprised at the responses, the people going out of their way to defend this as a normal, sensible, responsible thing for the president of the United States to do. (Doug Ross has been doing this on Twitter for days. I don’t know what to tell him.)
Well, it isn’t. It’s not sensible or normal or responsible to begin with for the president to be touting an unproven treatment for a deadly disease — thereby encouraging people to try to get their hands on it and take this drug that is intended for other purposes. It apparently led to one death — but that was an extreme case, a person who lacked judgment, as evidenced by extreme and risky behavior.
And now, the president of the United States — I have to keep saying that to remind myself that his clown, or “bad orange man” as you say, holds the highest office in the world — has engaged in that behavior himself, or at least wants us to think he has.
By which he is saying, yet again, “To hell with experts. Yeah, they have their procedures for investigating a drug’s effectiveness, but I know better than they do. Look at me — I’m taking it!”
It’s just a brand-new reminder that not only is this not a person who is careful in what he says — understanding that the words of the president of the United States matter — but isn’t careful and responsible in what he DOES, either. As though it doesn’t matter what the POTUS does. As though it’s no different from being what he was all those decades — Donald Trump, famous idiot — and what someone like THAT does. Someone like that goes on Howard Stern’s show on a regular basis and blabs about all the bizarre things he’s doing. A president does not.
I don’t know. I don’t have time to write all the words it would take to explain it.
You either see this as further evidence of this guy’s complete and utter unfitness for this job, or you don’t. There’s a barrier between people on seeing things like that, and I’ve seen that years of trying to explain it have basically no effect.
Anyway, I’ve got to get back to work. Busy day today…
“I’ve been surprised at the responses, the people going out of their way to defend this as a normal, sensible, responsible thing for the president of the United States to do. (Doug Ross has been doing this on Twitter for days. I don’t know what to tell him.)”
I do. They are members of a cult devoted to a politician. Of course Doug agrees with Trump.
Trump could advocate for throwing kittens off the Golden Gate Bridge and Trumpers would explain how it was a bold choice and how Trump was correct.
No, that’s not Doug. He’s not a Trumper. There are just things that are obvious to me, and don’t seem to require explanation — like this, which is why I didn’t bother to comment on it, but just posted it to share with y’all — but are NOT obvious to Doug, because he sees the world very differently, and he likes to argue about them. Not the same thing as being a “Trumper.”
I’m going to go do some work now, as I just told Doug on Twitter…
I also noticed Trump deleted a few of his tweets that were factually incorrect about Michigan and absentee voting.
Please don’t insult our intelligence by citing a news item from March 20.
At the end of that month, the FDA itself placed hydroxychloroquine on its drug shortages page. And I have heard directly from lupus patients who have had trouble obtaining the medication. You can believe what you want, but this isn’t fake news.
Ken,
Please accept my apology for not including the shortages of the drug due to hoarding and the excessive number of prescriptions written by doctors using it for personal and family. My link was not intended to insult anyone’s intelligence but only to acknowledge the pharma companies are ramping up production to satisfy demand for existing users and for hospitals and to clarify it is a both a brand and generic drug.
If you will re-read my opening sentence – “According to the available information after a brief search, pharmaceutical companies have already ramped up production and if the information is accurate, there is no shortage.” – I did qualify by acknowledging the accuracy of the information I had. In retrospect, I should have qualified by noting “there should be no shortages based on the information available.”
Further research does confirm there is a shortage and some delays for the month of May. Sandoz and a couple of other pharma companies do have supplies available and others are on allocation. Novartis, the parent company of Sandoz donated 130 million doses to hospitals and clinics for front line health care workers and I presume for patient treatment. Some states have directed pharmacies to no longer fill prescriptions for the drug if the patient has never been on the drug before.
I am still a proponent of the drug when used to treat patients who meet the criteria. My support has nothing to do with Donald Trump, it is solely based on the several anecdotal results confirmed by doctors who are actively involved treating COVID-19 patients and achieving positive results.
On the FWIW, I didn’t vote for Trump or Clinton in 2016. It was and still is my strong conviction that neither one was qualified or capable of leading this country in the right direction.
The days of a true liberal and true conservative are long past. At one time, the differences between a liberal and a conservative were minor and both shared essentially the same core values. They provided a balance that no longer exists and it is my conviction that the possibility of returning to a balance has vanished and the new hybrid liberals and conservatives have moved too far apart and the divide grows even wider.
I hope you and your family have a great Memorial Day weekend.
A new report from The Lancet medical journal finds that the anti-malarial drugs chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine … are linked to a higher death rate among people who are sick with the virus, and it can double or triple the risk of an irregular heart rhythm.
The findings:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext
Yep.
Anyone promoting this drug now has their own agenda that has everything to do with promoting trump regardless of what they say.
“ If I should contract COVID-19 and am not getting any better, you can bet I would gladly take it without hesitation. My health is good and my immune system in good order. Haven’t had the flu or a cold in over 40 years. Why the hell would I refuse or denounce it because I don’t agree with a politician as my first line of argument against it?
Terrible straw man argument you have there.
If I caught something and wasn’t getting better, I’d rub melted three musketeers bars on my toes if I thought there was .0001% chance it would work.
“If I caught something and wasn’t getting better, I’d rub melted three musketeers bars on my toes if I thought there was .0001% chance it would work.”
And this little snark missive is supposed to be a counter to my “Terrible straw man argument you have there.”?
Try again when you actually have a legitimate rebuttal.
It was quite legitimate.
Plus, you don’t have to type so much. Just type “Ditto” in response to anything trump says and be done with it.
Flintstones vitamin w/Elizabeth Taylor every day…Somebody say, Tombstone Blues?
Think about it. What are the odds that for the very first time in his life he actually isn’t lying??? Highly unlikely. Sad part about this is the number of fools that will try taking the medicine.
Yep, he is PROBABLY lying. That might actually might even be MORE irresponsible. At least if he is actually taking the damn stuff he’s showing that he’s committed to leading by example for a cause he believes in. Sure he’s a dumb ass. But, if he’s lying then he’s nothing but a cruel son of a bitch. Better to be a dumb ass than a cruel son of a bitch.
Trump is consumed with promoting himself and nothing.more. What a slime ball.
Just a reminder since some on here are pushing the drug out of trump devotion.
FDA warns against using hydroxychloroquine for coronavirus outside of hospitals
Clinical trials can continue, but the drug’s heart risks are too great to be used outside of controlled settings.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-cautions-against-hydroxychloroquine-outside-hospital-setting-n1191266
“Just a reminder since some on here are pushing the drug out of trump devotion.”
Bull! My defense of the drug is not out of Trump devotion, it is out of taking the time to do research on the drug and how it has been of benefit to many who have taken it. And to dispel the misinformation about a drug that does have potential to help with recovery from the virus simply because “bad orange man” touts it. And that quite simply is a perfect example of narrow minded thinking simply because of an intense dislike of Trump.
I am willing to bet that if this virus had hit when Obama was in office and he presented the drug as having the potential to help with the virus, most of you would be shouting his praises from the rooftops.
I read the FDA caution as part of my research and understand the position it must take. The operative word in their release is “caution”. That is applicable to any prescribed medication that can have potential harmful side effects.
Despite your suggestion, it’s 100% unusual that the president would openly tout a drug the FDA specifically warns should only be taken in a hospital.
And if Obama had done it, you and others would be shutting every talk Right wing radio station down with anger about it.
And no, I wouldn’t support if if Obama did it. I never voted for, or supported him.
You don’t think Trump and everyone on Capitol Hill is treated as if they were in a hospital when it comes to medical incidents? How do you explain Ruth Bader Ginsberg still being alive? She’s had cancer what, three times including pancreatic cancer which is typically a death sentence to anyone who doesn’t have access to the best medical care 24/7?
That’s like gin and tonic,yeah.Dig it!