Remember the squirm-inducing video of Nikki Haley being interviewed by some pro-Confederate flag guys back in 2010? Remember how she meekly gave them the reassurances they sought, while looking like a hostage forced to say these things?
Something caused me to look back at that (I think it was a comment on this blog, but it may have been on an old post, because I’m not finding it now), and to note that Henry McMaster, too, was interviewed by the same guys at the time.
“These guys,” by the way, were a group that redundantly called themselves “South Carolina Palmetto Patriots,” and said this about their agenda on their now-defunct website:
The Federal government has stolen our liberties and rights and nullified our ability to self govern as a state. It is the obligation of all people of our great state to restore unto ourselves and our children these inalienable rights as set forth in The Constitution of the United States of America.
As I noted at the time, that was their 2010 agenda and not their 1860 agenda, but I can see how you might have been confused.
I’d show you more, but the URL they were using then takes you to a page that shows a picture of a hat rack and the words, “This site has stepped out for a bit.”
Yeah, no kidding.
Back to the McMaster videos: There are six clips of about 10 minutes each, and there are commonalities with the Haley clips. For one thing, Henry sometimes looked very wary of these guys and their questions, as I think you can see in the still above. Or maybe that’s just me; I share the image so you can decide yourself.
He doesn’t seem to be having a rollicking good time. Still, he gives them the answers they seek, promptly and perfunctorily, as they tick off their list of traits that make an acceptable person in their book.
In the first clip, he starts out with a recitation of the 10th Amendment’s limitations on the federal government, which seemed welcome to these (as we learn later) latter-day nullificationists. At times, it takes on the cadences of the Catholic baptismal rite — if you’re a Protestant, you’ve heard it in “The Godfather:”
Do you reject Satan?
And all his works?
And all his empty promises?
Only on this video, it’s:
Have you read the constitution of the state of South Carolina?
Do you believe we should be governed by this document?
On that second “yes,” Henry seems a bit impatient. Of course, it is an idiotic and insulting question to ask an officer of the court, but you get that sort of thing from the kinds of extremists who believe that they are the only ones who understand what the constitution in question truly means.
Do you think it is better to have the government spending money to improve the economy or have tax cuts to improve the economy?
Tax cuts. I don’t think there’s any question about that.
Do you think we should amend our state constitution to include the right of petition and recall by the people…?
Are you a Christian? What is your current church membership?
Yes. First Presbyterian Church, Columbia, South Carolina; I’ve been there my whole life.
After that last, there is a pause, and the questioner explains, “Some of these questions are designed for other candidates…,” because, as he notes twice, he had known Henry was a Christian.
Which candidates might those be?, one wonders…
Eventually, after Henry makes it clear that he adamantly disapproves of illegal immigration, they get down to the nitty-gritty, at 8:10 in the clip:
Do you support keeping the Confederate Battle Flag in its current location…?
At that point, the questioner turns things over to “Bob,” who possesses an accent that gives Henry’s a good run for its money. The grilling on this subject continues to the end of the first clip, and all the way to 5:16 on the second one — after which “Bob” moves on to nullification.
When I listened to all this this morning, I typed up Henry’s answers in some detail — and my PC crashed before I could save it. Suffice to say, he further assured them that the flag flying on the State House grounds was a settled matter. Everyone had had their say during the debate before the “compromise,” and that was that.
Of course, he now says that the removal of the flag is a settled matter (if I read it correctly), so let’s give him credit for that.
I confess I didn’t spend an hour listening to all six clips. Do so, if you’re so inclined, and share with us what you find. I just found it interesting to revisit, however briefly. I’ll leave you with this: As marginal as these guys might have seemed in 2010, the video seems almost quaint today — after Charlottesville. And at the same time chilling, after Mother Emanuel…
Aha, found it! Here’s what caused me to find those videos: Something led me to look back at this old comment from Michael Rodgers (from whom we have not heard lately)…
Why would anyone sit through an hour of questioning from those guys? It sounds like a (really bad) deposition…
So Henry looks as reluctant to you as he does to me?
I wonder who told him he HAD to submit to this. Who gave that advice?
By the way, all the people I’ve found videos of were Republicans — Henry, Nikki, Andre Bauer and Gresham Barrett. I don’t know whether that’s because they didn’t bother to invite Democrats, or because the Democrats told them to take a flying leap. Next time I see Vincent Sheheen, I’ll try to remember to ask him…
Brad, it would be very logical that Richard Quinn might advise this. Quinn’s background is steep in Southern related causes.
Yeah, except… Nikki got the same advice. And Nikki is not a Quinn ally…
Clown show… so who are these “interrogators”?
No way of telling now, with the website down. I think there was coverage naming some of them at the time, but I’m not finding it now…
It deserves to come out. THe pols may find it embarrassing, but it’s probably better to state who organized such interviews as the truth will come out anyway. There is a real whiff of menace here that some sunlight could disinfect…
Brad please stop talking about the f-ing flag. It makes you look small. The more you talk about it the more you just become some caricature, irrelevant beat writer. Move on damn it!
Bud, I think you’re missing the point.
But changing the subject myself… why has any discussion of the flag always bugged you so much?
It’s like watching someone pick at a scab. Just leave it alone and it will heal.