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Lea Walker responds

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J
ust now I finally got caught up with yesterday’s e-mail, and found this message:

Dear Sirs and Madam:
Your editorial today endorsed Runyon, and your
comments are not fair to me, nor to the city. My international background will
bring unique and broader vision and solutions to our City. I’m not motivated by
the zoning issue, but by my urge to contribute and get involved. The city
council should be diversified/open-minded, and not to be self-absorbed and not
to treat the minorities as invisibles.
 
The most important issues for this campaign
should get our city council think out of the box, but not just to get another
one who thinks alike. To me, all the other candidates talked about the same
issues, and suggested the same remedies.
 
 
Lea Walker, President
(US) Chinese Culture Center

Ms. Walker (pictured above) is one of the four candidates running for the at-large seat on Columbia City Council. I still hope to get around to posting something from our meeting with her before this thing’s over. If you’ll notice, I haven’t posted anything on our meeting with the guy we endorsed, either. I did put up something from our meeting with Daniel Rickenmann, but it wasn’t nearly as complete as what I’ve done on Brian Boyer and Belinda Gergel.

Unfortunately, those kinds of posts are very time-consuming (I stayed very late doing the Rickenmann and Gergel ones), and when things get busy around here, putting out the editorial pages comes first.

Joe Azar, The State on same page for once

Just saw this e-mail that Joe Azar sent out to his list:

    Today The State editorial board endorsed Cameron Runyan over incumbent Daniel Rickenmann. Read it below. From all I can hear and see, Runyan should become our next city councilman. But don’t sit back and wait, forward this to everyone, call all your friends, and make sure to get everyone out to vote Tuesday, April 1. That is the only way to win, so do it!…

You should take note of this moment, because you won’t often find Joe so heartily agreeing with us. I for one intend to enjoy it while it lasts.

Here’s the editorial to which he refers.

What’s changing your mind, bud?

This is an invitation to a regular correspondent to elaborate on an interesting observation. Back on this post, bud left a comment, toward the end of that long thread, that in part said this:

I’m gradually changing my allegiance to Obama from Hillary. Obama is the real deal, no doubt about it.

I’m curious about bud’s reasoning, and I think it’s worth exploring in greater detail, if bud’s willing.

The reason I think it’s worth going into is that I think bud is going through a process we’ve seen across a large portion of the Democratic electorate this year. Remember, just a few months ago Hillary Clinton was seen as inevitable. That started changing in the weeks before Iowa, and kept on changing, as Democrats and independents who chose to vote in Democratic primaries (where that was permitted, such as in S.C.) starting moving toward Barack Obama.

Now, with neither candidate able to get the required number of committed delegates before the convention, we’re watching as superdelegates (and voters in Pennsylvania) ponder whether to declare for, or switch to, Obama. That makes the thought processes through which a voter like bud has gone particularly relevant.

You know what I think, but I preferred Obama from the time we focused on the candidates in the last days before the S.C. primary. It’s far more interesting right now to see what would convince someone who preferred Hillary then to move toward Obama.

So give it some thought, bud, and share…

More context on Wright sermon

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Warren Bolton sent me this earlier today, and I was going to try to watch the links myself before post it, but it’s going to be so many hours — and probably tomorrow — before I can get to that, I’ll let y’all go ahead and get a head start:

Brad, thought I’d forward to you what someone shared with me. They are video clips of Wright. The first is a longer version of the "God Damn America" sermon. It won’t change your mind, but it puts more context around his comments.

  • http://youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw
  • http://youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ
  • http://youtube.com/watch?v=8pedwsGGGp0
  • http://youtube.com/watch?v=8pedwsGGGp0
  • http://youtube.com/watch?v=9HjSoMZ7y7A
  • http://youtube.com/watch?v=-w5I1MR1NBg
  • http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ThIdzzb0zc
  • http://youtube.com/watch?v=6yOR_srOUI0
  • http://youtube.com/watch?v=ckz6H3IbYzc

Warren, as you’ll recall, had a column on the subject this week — with a different take from mine.

That trooper was hardly alone

Don’t think there was anything particularly rare about the language that trooper used in the notorious video.

Warren Bolton says he’s gotten "some pretty interesting feedback on my trooper column" in today’s paper. He shared this "gem" with me a little while ago:

Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:47 PM
To: Bolton, Warren
Subject: Re: Trooper’s actions

Bolton;
The only thing that trooper did wrong was in not shooting the bastard down. At least that would have put one less nigger crimmal [sic] out of business.
Val Green

Warren gets this sort of thing all too often. So perhaps you can see why he worries that, as he said in his column today, "we’re not there yet" in the year 2008.

Who can resist a rebuttal of such deft sensibility?

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D
o you, like Katon Dawson, believe last week’s editorial regarding our governor and the veep rumors was lacking in delicacy and tact?

Well, you’ll be gratified to know that I’ve had my comeuppance.

Just a few minutes ago, I opened a manila envelope addressed to me that contained what looked like a flattened sheet of bloody pulp. This, of course, is always the sign of a carefully considered observation regarding the offerings on our daily pages.

This one was unusual in that the expansive thoughts of the writer demanded use of the entire page, even though the item being addressed occupied only a small portion of it. To make sure I didn’t miss what the writer was referring to, two bold red Xes were placed tastefully on either side of the editorial’s headline, and that part of the page (and only that part of the page) was left free of red ink.

All was not as it appeared, however. Although it would seem to the untutored eye to be the work of a single hand and a singular mind, the reader is boldly assured that it expresses the views of

"AVERY LARGE GROUP OF Gov. MARK SANFORD SUPPORTERS."

Just so you know. The message is, beyond that, unattributed, which unfortunately bars me from sending a "thank you" note.

Anyway, the writer(s) maintain(s) that Mr. Sanford would make a wonderful running mate for the GOP nominee, and that rather than running down such an idea, we should instead spend our ink criticizing "some of the bad hoodlum-type individuals," because after all, "there are many of them."

There’s also some stuff about the Real ID that I can’t fully make out (on account of it being written over a lot of type and all), but which seems based in an incomplete understanding of our position on the issue, as expressed in an editorial the day before the Sanford/veep piece.

But our message in the Sanford piece seems to have gotten across quite clearly. I can at least take satisfaction from that.

Katon’s response to Friday’s Sanford edit

Be sure to check tomorrow’s op-ed page for Katon Dawson’s indignant response to Friday’s editorial. Here’s a taste:

    The Governor and Republican legislators have made South Carolina a better place to live, work and raise a family.  Not surprisingly, leaders and lawmakers across the country have taken notice of Governor Sanford’s leadership -– as they have taken notice of other great leaders in South Carolina like our U.S. Senators Lindsey Graham and Jim DeMint and the entire Republican team in Columbia.

Katon does his best, as a good party chairman should, to paint a picture of Republicans in South Carolina as one big family, with the gov and GOP lawmakers pulling in the same direction and things like that. And he does it as well as anyone might. Be sure to check it out.

My anonymous (anti-Sanford) fan club

This is to let you know I can do like the BIG-time folks at the NYT. I can cite anonymous sources, too.

One of the problems with publicly criticizing a Republican governor is that, even when most Republicans in a position to work with him agree with you, they generally don’t say so. You know, the "11th commandment" and all. (Note that I’m not counting Jake Knotts, as he is what you might call an iconoclast in this regard.) And even most Democrats are relatively discreet in criticizing a governor who remains popular (among the voters, who don’t actually have to deal with him).

So you get these very encouraging attaboys from veteran State House hands, such as this one yesterday (note that both of these are shorn of identifying details):

    Between you and me (please), your entry yesterday on Sanford was, sadly, right on the money….
    Interestingly, there are more than a couple folks I know who’d like to see Sanford on the national ticket only because it would get him out of S.C.  Personally, I love the country too much to pull for something like that.

Then, today, there was this one, which went into greater detail (some of it now excised):

    It occurs to me that while there is certainly so much blame to be shared (politics being what it is) I truly do weep for our state and the years we’ve lost in missed opportunity.  The promise of Mark Sanford and true progress was so great.  But as we discovered in short order in dealing with the man — there is truly nothing legislatively you can deliver that he truly wants.  He won’t take "yes" for an answer.  As soon as you give him what he says he wants — he changes his requirements, moves the goal post.  There was no such thing as a "deal" or a "commitment."  For Mark Sanford, the worst thing is to be seen as actually getting along, compromising, and passing meaningful legislation.  That would – in effect — make him an "insider".  So success for him is in fact, measured in failure — by NOT passing anything, by making sure he is always at odds, always causing bitterness and angst and then casting everyone else as the "bad guy."  The fact that voters apparently approve is a testament to his success and speaks volumes to how far we have to travel. 
    I do, however, take great issue with your take on the SC Policy Council — especially now with Ashley Landess serving as president.  She is smart and savvy and dedicated to responsible, efficient gov’t.  She is currently involved in the bi-partisan ONE Campaign for Africa and was passionately involved in the fight against video poker and the lottery and is now a brilliant appointee on the lottery commission who has made some incredibly wise moves that have held the commission’s feet to the fire and made it keep to the spirit of the Legislature’s original intent regarding limited advertising, etc., etc.  She is a conservative for sure but she is not a Mark Sanford – destroy gov’t libertarian — by any stretch of the imagination.
    And like you, I was devastated when I read of Mark’s most recent shortsighted and completely destructive move to try and abolish the endowed chairs program (it’s so unbelievable reckless for a guy who claims to care about our economy and says he wants us to be competitive I can barely breath when I write this.)  Anyway, my suggestion would be for groups like the SCPC who truly do care about responsible gov’t to work with the private sector to make sure the Gen Assbly uses the endowed chairs funds responsibly so slash-and-burn politicians like Mark Sanford who — as you so eloquently pointed out — care only about the prosperity of his own family — can’t destroy one of the single best examples of sound, forward-thinking fiscal policy we have in our state.

Now let me hasten to add that I’ve received a couple of much longer, more detailed messages defending the governor, and I’m waiting for permission to use those WITH attribution. Soon as I hear back, you’ll see them here.

Today’s audio feedback

As you know, I keep trying to get folks who send me their thoughts and observations via e-mail either to submit them for consideration as a letter to the editor, or to come to the blog. I’m one of the world’s worst time managers, but as bad as I am, I DO try to limit the amount of time spent on purely private communications. Bring it out into the open, and let’s talk — that’s my approach.

That’s a little trickier to do with those who leave their thoughts at length on my voicemail. Trickier, but not impossible. Here’s my phone call of the day. This lady had a LOT to say about the relative merits of Barack Obama as compared to Hillary Clinton. The short version: She likes Hillary. Obama — well, she manages to compare him to George W. Bush. How? Well, listen. Here’s the audio clip.

As you will see, she explains that she called me to protest, although belatedly, our endorsement of Obama. Apparently, she explained at such length that she overran the rather generous amount of time afforded by my voicemail. Well, her voice will be heard now — at least by those of you who have the patience.

Just another slice of daily life in the editorial department.

Put-up or shut-up time for bud

This started as a comment back on this post, but I’m elevating it to post status:

OK, bud, put up or shut up time: So which party is it? I’ve made it absolutely clear to you over and over that when I use the term "partisan," I don’t use it in the sense of "having an opinion about an issue" — which seems to be your favored sense. I’ve made it clear that I am speaking of slavish identification with a political party (or the attendant disease of unvarying devotion to the "left" or "right," which increasing means the same thing in this country).

"Partisan," as it is used on this blog and as it is used about 99 percent of the time in this country, refers to sticking up for your party — and we talking Democrats or Republicans here, since the Libertarians and others aren’t really a factor — at all times, and always denigrating people of the "opposite" party. It means surrendering your ability to think to party platforms. It means thinking it really MATTERS whether someone is a Democrat or a Republican.

So, bud — what’s my party? Democratic? Republican? What’s my ideology: Left? Right?

Either state it, and support it, and let the other readers judge your thinking on the matter, or drop this business of taking a relatively esoteric sense of the word and using it for no other purpose whatsoever than to insult me. You know that’s what you’re doing, and there’s no other possible reason to do it than to have that effect. You know that partisanship is loathsome to me, and unless you have a profound reading comprehension problem you know WHY. I’m pretty sure you’ve never met anyone who has explained his aversion to partisanship more than I have. This means what you are doing is saying, "What does Brad despise most?" and deciding to call me that, which is a form or argument on the intellectual level of "I know you are, but what am I?"

You know that ad hominem attacks are verboten on this blog. You know that in particular, I don’t allow it from anonymous commenters. I have bent way the hell over backward for you on both points, mainly because I am the object rather than someone out there.

But I’ve had enough of it. Either support your assertion of my oh-so-obvious hypocrisy — and that means showing that I am precisely the sort of partisan that I myself condemn, in the common sense in which I use the term — or cut it out. Now.

What I do almost every waking level of my life is tell the world exactly what I think and why I think it. I am not going to provide a free forum for someone to repeatedly say that I am a liar about one of my most strongly held positions. Not unless he can back it up. This is his chance. He either does so, or starts addressing the substance of what I say without the name-calling.

Strike Four on police testing scandal

Just got this e-mail internally from a colleague:

Just got off the phone with an anonymous caller angered by newspaper’s coverage of police testing scandal. This man is apparently in local law enforcement….

In short: He says the newspaper has greatly overestimated the importance of the testing scandal. More of "a prank," he says. He says the test only existed to ensure that people had watched the 4-hour video online. If they went to watch the video in person, no test was required. He says that the online training was a mess, and this should have been mentioned in the report.

He says that such help to one another is natural among police, and basically goes back to the academy days as a part of police culture. Many of the recruits aren’t great test-takers, but good at solving problems.

He says that naming the officers went overboard and damaged the integrity of the whole force.

To which my response is: And if the test were a joke and unimportant, that would be yet ANOTHER thing that the city administration should have communicated clearly to the public…

Dialogue about the ‘Wireless Cloud’

This morning, noting this post and the comments on it, Cindi sent a note to Gordon and Mike, whom she knows from past lives (Gordon was my boss when I was Cindi’s boss when she was a reporter 20 years ago; Mike Cakora was one of our "community columnists" when we had that program on the op-ed page several years back):

Good morning Gordon and Mike

    I hope you’re both doing well.
    I’ve just been reading over your comments on Brad’s blog, and it occurred to me that if y’all read the legislative study committee report that is the backdrop for the news release he posted, 1) you might find it interesting and 2) you might be able to help me think through this — either via e-mail or through a continued discussion on Brad’s blog, whichever you prefer.
    I think the report should shed additional light on precisely what is being considered. In short, the majority report recommends hiring a consultant to further think through what to do with the ETV licenses; the minority report says this is plan is a recipe for losing a valuable state resource, which will revert to the feds if we don’t have a plan in place in less than a year.
    My initial, uninformed take is to agree with the minority report, written by Rep. Dwight Loftis. By way of background, Sen. Jim Ritchie — who along with Loftis first got this conversation going in the State House a year ago — had been spinning me in advance on the importance of the state taking action. He’s a proponent of a laptop for every student, by the way, a plan I am not sold on….
    I feel like this is something our editorial board needs to weigh in on at some point….
    Also, since Rep. Loftis has added me to his broadband e-mail list, I have received a handful of articles on the topic that I would be happy to share with either or both of you if you’d like.

Cindi

Gordon urged me to post the report Cindi referred to on the blog so we could have a discussion here. Here’s the report.

Mike also answered as follows:

To the extent that I can contribute, I will.  After my first scan of the report, I want to look at the FCC deadlines that the minority report is concerned about.  I need to get clear on FCC terminology too. 

Environmentally speaking, Clearwire looks to be involved with Sprint and Intel in trying to rescue WiMax according to breaking news. 
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/02/sprint_clearwir_1.html

Thus Clearwire’s role as a proponent in some of the BTAs in this state is interesting.  I pulled the latest lobbyist report and found that while all the usual players — Sprint Nextel, Intel, Time Warner, etc. — have lobbyists, Clearwire does not. 

Mike Cakora

So if you’re hip to the highly technical issues involved, here’s your chance to jump in. Personally, I’m depending on Cindi to figure it out and help me make up my mind. This is your chance to help Cindi — and Mike and Gordon as well.

Back before I started this blog, people like Dan Gillmor told me that the Blogosphere was chock-full of people who knew more about various issues (especially technical ones) than I or any other journalist did. While that is occasionally the case, it hasn’t been as often as I’d like. This seems like a good opportunity to realize the true potential of blogging.

 

Are you having trouble loading my blog?

The last few days, my browser has been freezing up whenever I go to my main page — which, unfortunately, I have to do a lot.

When it happens, at long last I get a dialog box that says:

    A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete.

I always click "stop script," and go on with my business. I don’t even know what it means.

I had sort of thought it was a problem with my laptop, but then the desktop started doing the same thing.

All I can guess is that there’s just too much stuff on that main page. Maybe I need to reduce the number of posts that appear there. (I think it’s set to show a month’s worth, but that’s way over 100 posts now, and maybe that’s just too much.)

Before I take the time to tinker around with guesses, though, I’m curious: Are y’all having the same trouble? That would increase the urgency to try to do something.

Here’s a place to talk about the school shootings

Whenever I see regulars commenting on something in the news on a post regarding a different subject, as Herb did here:

    Does anyone know what to do about the continued massacre of citizens in public places in this country? The kids that were killed yesterday–they were my kids. Oh, not literally, but every time it happens, I see my own kids, and in a real way, we are all in this together.

    I suppose some people will want to arm more people with weapons to fire back as soon as the guy starts shooting, and others will want to blame socialism for the guy’s maladjustment to begin with, but I’d like to know about some workable solutions, besides turning our society into the set of a Grade B Cowboy movie (everybody armed with pistols). Can anyone help? Who is going to stop the next guy who is mad at the world from killing another dozen people? And the next kids may very well be my own.

    Posted by: Herb Brasher | Feb 15, 2008 12:06:54 PM

… I realized I may have been remiss in my duty, not having posted on a subject of high interest to readers.

So consider this post an opportunity to discuss the shootings in Illinois yesterday, and other such events.

‘Race Doesn’t Matter:’ A note from one who was there

Just got this kind e-mail today:

Dear Brad:

My name is Whitney and I’m an American black woman (I don’t fuss with that title "African-American, hell, I’m an AMERICAN first!!!!)

Anyway, I was at the South Carolina victory rally held for Barack Obama and I’ve been meaning to send you a thank you email for your wonderful blog dated Jan. 27, 2008 (that I have shared with other blacks who agree with you 110 percent) that it’s time to end these overly divisive and counterproductive tactics that use the false veil of racism to keep this country further divided.

Yes, there will always be those who strive for division, and they come in all colors, but your blog, along with the dynamic crowd at the event, and sound-minded voters across America agree that race doesn’t matter. There are some of us who are more interested in the character of an individual than with other superficial and artificial designations.

Kudos to you Brad, you have inspired me to start calling these so called "civil rights leaders" to tell them that enough is enough and to put their money where their mouth is….we need to acknowledge when progress has been made, instead of wallowing in some kind of "sorrow"…which sells books, fills auditoriums and subsequently polarizes those of us who may have otherwise worked together.

Thanks, Brad for your courage to speak the truth.

Whitney Larkins

To which I can only say, Thank you so much. I was sorry I couldn’t be there, and I enjoy hearing from folks who were.

The next generation of spam?

OK, this bit of spam, back on this post, almost had me going:

Oh my goodness! I heard from friends on campus that there was a guy
in front of the Statehouse telling everyone that C-Fed was dead!? I
knew that his brother’s crazy life would have an effect him sooner or
later. I don’t know what to think anymore.

With its reference to "a guy in front of the Statehouse," I thought it was a relevant comment. Then I was trying to figure out what or who a "C-Fed" might be. Later in the comment, "K-Fed" came into it. I was about to conclude that they were some sort of federal financial instrument, like Freddie Mac or Ginnie Mae. I then wondered if it had something to do with Ben Bernanke’s testimony Thursday.

Then I realized it was some sort of trashy come-on having to do with celebrity-obsessed Web sites called "vipglamour.net" and "thehollywoodgossip.com" (note that I’m not providing links):

With the Britney being
screwed up beyond compare, and the kids having to pay the price for her
crazy behind, C-Fed got mixed up in the crazy life! I hope K-Fed thinks
about what he has done. As soon as I go back I googeled C-Fed, and this
is what I got. I know everyone is heart broken, but here is what I
found for the latest…

If spam is getting sophisticated enough to come to MY site and figure out it can worm its way into a fresh post (most spam gloms onto old, inactive posts) by tossing out the word "Statehouse," we’re in deep doo-doo. If the Chinese get ahold of this, they won’t need to be able to shoot down our satellites to crash our economy. (And yes, I know they could just as easily call for payment on all our debt they own, but commies are big planners, and don’t want to leave anything to chance.)

‘Ideas Matter,’ and other stuff

Sorry I haven’t had time to post anything new today. As I prepared to do so, I read over the responses to my Sunday column and thought it was a conversation — or perhaps I should say, several conversations — worth continuing. There is much I could add by way of explanation to what I was saying in the Sunday piece — so much that I hardly know where to start.

Fortunately, your comments give me several starting points. So let’s address a few of these questions that go to the heart of the UnParty and what it’s all about:

Doug Ross: So when McCain rails against Democrats and Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama in the coming months (as he has already done repeatedly in the Republican debates), we can expect you to pull your endorsement?
Me: No, of course not. We’ve endorsed both McCain and Obama. If they are both the nominees, we expect each to compete strongly, each trying to convince us that he’s better than the other guy. This will be a great thing for the country, as it would be a choice between good and better, rather that the usual "bad or worse" choice that the parties give us.
If Hillary Clinton is the nominee, even less so. I would expect almost every day of that campaign would make me gladder and gladder that we endorsed McCain.

dave faust: Ideas matter.
And as long as there are competing ideas that can’t really co-exist with one another if implemented, there will be the ‘dreaded scourge’ of partisanship (which I happen to think is a good thing)… I agree with you that it’s sad that american politics have degenerated into the name-calling us/them mess it is today, but at the heart of it all is an elemental debate about ideas that are often mutually exclusive….
Me: Yes, absolutely! Ideas matter! That’s why parties are such a destructive force. The two political parties are coagulations of ideas and impulses that have little to do with each other. They are not coherent. People who think war is never the answer make common cause with, say, people who think partial-birth abortions should be federally funded EVEN THOUGH THOSE IDEAS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. Meanwhile, folks who despise ‘amnesty’ in immigration and want less permeable borders form common cause with people who believe there must never be a new tax for any reason at any time — again,  EVEN THOUGH THOSE IDEAS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER (and can even directly conflict, as when you have to grow government to shut down your border).
Now that’s fine that these people want to associate freely, and form alliances for the purposes of getting candidates elected. The problem is when these alliances cease to be ad hoc — when the alliance itself becomes the overriding thing. Then, the IDEAS are ill-served. The parties, by demanding orthodoxy and loyalty, encourage adherents to be intellectually dishonest. If the anti-war person hears a good idea for ending war from someone who wants to strengthen borders, THEY should form an alliance for the purpose of getting that goal done. (We have seen this among Ron Paul supporters, but because he IS iconoclastic, he never had a prayer of getting the party’s nomination.) The anti-war person shouldn’t be held back because securing borders is seen as "conservative," or "a Republican idea."
Think about it: Both liberals who want to raise wages and improve working conditions, and conservatives who want… to put it the way they would, "want to enforce the law," or protect their culture, or whatever … could probably have shut down the borders a while back, but party boundaries have prevented them from thinking of working together.
Alliances that should be provisional and ad hoc — such as a tax-hater joining with a moral authoritarian — and formed around specific bills or proposals become something bigger than the ideas.
So it is that when McCain and the others in the Gang of 14 make a deal that results in seating conservative judges who would otherwise have been held up, GOP "conservatives" hate McCain because he worked with Democrats to do it! And so forth…

weldon VII: So, Brad, instead of the Left fighting the Right, you see the parties fighting the Unparty as the meaningful struggle?
Pot, meet kettle.
Me: I offer the alternative, and get caught in the crossfire, because Left and Right don’t want there to be an alternative. So that leads me to conclude that the real split is between the left and right orthodoxies on the one hand, and those of us who want to chuck their whole silly game on the other. Hence my column. Hell, I don’t want to fight. But I’m certainly not going to sit still for their foolishness.

Richard L. Wolfe: I wonder if those in the press who so gleefully backed McCain will stay the course if young Obama is the opponent?
Me: Yes. Absolutely. We will "stay the course" of liking both, and may the better of two fine candidates win! What’s so hard to understand about this? I’ll tell you — your thinking is canalized to the point that you simply can’t understand the simple fact that a reasonable person could like both of these guys. You think it has to be either-or, but it doesn’t. Sure, only one can be president, but you don’t have to dislike one to like the other.

bud: As I’ve said on a number of occasions I don’t find partisanship necessarily a bad thing. We’re all partisan for the causes we support. And that includes Brad, whose brand of big-government partisanship is just as strident as those of us on either the left or right. So rather than fight it, let’s embrace our nation as one of partisans.
Me: bud has always had trouble understanding what I’m talking about when I decry partisanship. Read what I said to dave above. People should fight for an idea. What they should NOT fight for is a TEAM that may agree with them on one issue, but not on a host of others. A person who truly THINKS about ideas will agree with Democrats on some things, and with Republicans on others. It’s when you choose sides and stick to it that ideas start to be undermined.

H.M. Murdock: The Gingrich-led Republicans started the current rift in American politics during the early 90’s, as the GOP repeatedly attempted to embarrass or demean the Clintons over issues that had nothing to do with public policy or running the country–Nannygate, Travelgate, Whitewater, Jennifer Flowers, Vince Foster, Monica, etc.
The public still is paying the price for the GOP’s scorched earth policy against the Clintons and the Dems. Swiftboating now is expected, tolerated, and even admired by some kooks who would rather win a political argument than advance the best interests of the country.
Me: You’re missing the fact that to Republicans, Democrats started all the "-gate" stuff, with "Water-" and "Iran-". So they wanted to get the Dems back for those. And once again, this is the problem with parties. There’s no reason that a person outraged over Watergate wouldn’t also be outraged over Whitewater. Nor should a political label require you to be outraged over any two of the things that your party has taken on as a cause. As for "Swiftboating" — I need to do a separate post on that. It’s come to be freighted with meaning among Democrats that I’m not sure the invented verb sustains well.

bud: I’m going to step outside the subject area to relate a story about the free-market and how unscrupulous businesses can be….
Me: Thanks, bud. You’re making my point for me. I’m always saying that my own experience causes me to have no more faith in large private organizations than in government. This is why I argue so vehemently with the people who think the public sector is always inefficient, bureaucratic and wasteful and that the private sector is always better. Life experiences don’t bear this out. People just know more about the public stupidities and waste because they’re public. When I express ideas based on these life experiences, bud calls me a "big government guy." Truth is, I just don’t see that the private sector is better, and therefore I’m not dismissive of the government trying to address problems.

I realize those answers may be too stream-of-consciousness to make complete sense, but I wanted to hold up my end of the conversation, and only had minutes to do so. Gotta run. I’m sure we’ll revisit all these topics.

The Front Page(s)

Doug Ross calls my attention to this cool feature at the Newseum, which is a thing started by Al Neuharth of that other big newspaper company, but it’s pretty cool nonetheless. As Doug describes it:

You might think this is cool…  see the front pages from newspapers across the country just by clicking on dots on a U.S. map… The State is included…

Actually, you see large thumbnails of the pages just by scrolling over those points on the map. You get a larger, more legible version by clicking. Here’s the site again.

By the way — and here I’m going to veer into a plug for my own paper — if you’d like to read your entire newspaper in that format (sort of a cross between the actual paper and the Web version), The State actually sells subscriptions for just that. And you can do a free 7-day tryout. Here’s how:

  • log
    onto www.thestate.com
  • click
    on "NEW! Digital E-State" in upper left hand corner beneath green
    bar.
  • select
    appropriate link in yellow box (one day free pass, subscribe or
    already registered for current online subscribers or registered 7-day
    print subscribers).
  • follow
    directions on subsequent screens to complete process.

And no, I didn’t get paid extra for that. The Newseum thing just made me think about it, and in case y’all were interested, I e-mailed our Circulation department to get the info.

bud, do you STILL think Hillary is Mary Ann?

Total trivia from blogs past, but it has at least symbolic meaning. Never mind why I was looking at such an old post (another one of those things where TypePad told me it was getting fresh hits, and I couldn’t figure why), but in skimming through the comments on "W is Gilligan; Al is Mr. Howell," I ran across bud’s proposed "Gilligan’s Island" cast:

Gilligan – George W. Bush
Skipper – Dick Cheney (or Karl Rove)
Mr. Howell – George H. W. Bush (or John Kerry)
Mrs. Howell – Barbara Bush (or Teresa Kerry)
Ginger – Condi Rice
Mary Anne – Hillary Clinton
Professor – Al Gore

Most of those are pretty much on-point (as long as we think of a Brian Dennehy sort of dark, menacing Skipper, rather than the Alan Hale version), except for the two unattached females on the island. Condi as Ginger? I don’t think so. Condi’s more of a female version of the Professor.

But the one that still gets me the most is Hillary as sweet, unassuming little Mary Ann? I’m just not seeing that.

bud, or anyone — care to update that cast?

Taking Mr. Retske’s ‘Conservatism’ test

Yesterday, one of the first comments on my "Give me that old-time conservatism" column post was from Gene Retske, who proposed the following:

Brad, c’mon, do you really believe that you are a conservative? Do you think that Roe v Wade was improperly decided? Do you think Ronald Reagan was the greatest president of the 20th Century? Do you think America is the model for the world, and is obligated to spread democracy? Do you think America is a country founded on Judeo-Christian principles? Would you leave your wife for Ann Coulter?

If you can’t answer "yes" to all these questions, you may not be a true conservative.

John McCain believes in Duty, Honor and Country, for sure. That these basic criteria are touted as presidential qualities shows how far down we have come. There are over 12 million current and former military who also have these qualities, and are thus more qualified than Hillary or Obama to be president.

Sorry, Brad, you can’t redefine conservatism to your standards, nor can John McCain.

Hey, I’m good at tests! So here we go:

  1. Brad, c’mon, do you really believe that you are a conservative? No. I utterly reject both the "conservative" and "liberal" labels, because the popular, current definitions of those terms describe world views that each contain much that is repugnant to me. One of the main reasons I do this site is to have at least one place in the blogosphere that provides an alternative to the perpetual extreme-left vs. extreme-right argument that tends to predominate in this medium. Traditionally, however, there is much (or perhaps I should say, was much) in both conservatism and liberalism that I see as being of value. The last part of my column Sunday was an evocation of what I see as good in conservatism. As for liberalism — well, there used to be much good in that, too, but it really started to degenerate starting about 1968.
  2. Do you think that Roe v Wade was improperly decided? Yes, absolutely. In fact, you don’t state it nearly strongly enough. It was disastrous, on many levels. First, there is the obvious — more abortions. But then it’s not the job of the Court to decide cases in terms of outcomes (a point on which the admirers of Roe would disagree). Therefore in answer to whether it was "improperly decided" I’ll say this: The ruling was based on a bogus proposition — that the Constitution guarantees a "right to privacy." It does no such thing. (I’ve always been struck by the way the presumption was said to arise from a "penumbra" — suggestive to me of the Shadow of Death.) Finally, I’ll say — and once again, this is irrelevant to whether it was properly decided, but I think it speaks to where you intended to go with this — that this disaster of a ruling is probably more to blame than any other one cause for the nasty polarization of our politics. This country would be a better place in many ways without Roe.
  3. Do you think Ronald Reagan was the greatest president of the 20th Century? Absolutely not. While I don’t dislike him today as much as I did at the time, I think he did much to ruin the sort of conservatism that I have always valued — in particular, he helped instill the imprudent notion that we can have all the blessings of good government (and folks, there’s no such thing as private property — to cite one such "blessing" — without a sound system affirming, protecting and supporting it) without paying for it. The grossly immature Gimme-Gimme wing exemplified by the likes of Grover Norquist is a product of the Reagan era. As for defeating communism — I give him credit for doing his part, as had every president of either party since Truman — and he had the honor to have the watch when it all came tumbling down. If he provided the final push needed to reach the tipping point — which seems to be the consensus, although I have no idea how to measure such things — hurrah for him. He certainly demonstrated resolve — such as the resolve to spend the Soviets under the table. To the extent that’s what did it, hoorah again. But was that "conservative?" Oh, and if you want to talk about "amnesty" for illegals (which I don’t, but a lot of folks who call themselves "conservatives" do) — Reagan went for it; McCain does not. (Let me point out that Sen. McCain, unlike Ronald Reagan and Mitt Romney, has been opposed to abortion his entire career.)
  4. Do you think America is the model for the world, and is obligated to spread democracy? Yep, in many ways (although obviously we’re a poor model on health care). That’s why I’m an unreconstructed interventionist — but then, so were liberals before 1968. In fact, as I’ve often said, the invasion of Iraq was the most liberal thing that George W. Bush ever did — which is probably why he botched the aftermath. Like most conservatives, he doesn’t believe in nation-building. Like liberals of the endangered JFK stripe, I do. I’m assuming you meant to go in that direction. Or perhaps you’re speaking of the "city on a hill" notion of American exceptionalism? I’m for that, too. But again, there’s nothing conservative about that. To the extent that we are a beacon for the world, it’s based on liberal principles — in the sense of advancing liberal democracy. But then, I’m using terminology that has little to do with the post-Reagan definitions of "liberal" and "conservative" in our domestic politics (although, I’m happy to say, the term is still current in an international context).
  5. Do you think America is a country founded on Judeo-Christian principles? I believe it was founded by people whose culture was informed by Judeo-Christian principles, such "freethinkers" as Thomas Paine aside. If it helps you any, I’m much more an admirer of John Adams (he who wrote, "Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.") than Thomas Jefferson, although Jefferson probably had a greater impact on the development of the country’s self-concept, which is a shame.
  6. Would you leave your wife for Ann Coulter? Certainly not! Nor would I leave her for French Socialist leader Ségolène Royal, who is a LOT more attractive. I would cross a continent to avoid either Ann Coulter or Paul Krugman, either Rush Limbaugh or Frank Rich, or any of those who delight in tearing this country apart. My support for both John McCain and Barack Obama is based in the same principles that cause me to utterly reject the Coulters and Krugmans of the world.

I’ll have to leave it to Mr. Retske to score this. Since it was an essay test (my favorite kind, much better than multiple guess), and since he’s the "teacher" in this instance, I guess he’ll assign whatever values (in every sense) he chooses to each question.

But if I flunk, fine by me. See my answer to question 1.